Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, March 24, 2011

The Shape Of The Libyan Quagmire

By Steve Hynd


There are only 1,000 trained men in the Libyan rebel army? Really?



"After the uprising, the rebels stumbled as they tried to organize. They did a poor job of defining themselves when Libyans and the outside world tried to figure out what they stood for. And now, as they try to defeat Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi�s armed forces and militias, they will have to rely on allied airstrikes and young men with guns because the army that rebel military leaders bragged about consists of only about 1,000 trained men.


Those frank admissions came from Ali Tarhouni, who was appointed to the cabinet of the rebels� shadow government on Wednesday as finance minister. Mr. Tarhouni, who teaches economics at the University of Washington, returned to Libya one month ago after more than 35 years in exile to advise the opposition on economic matters."



That figure represents a far smaller defection of army than we were led to believe. Gaddafi has 120,000 men in his armed forces.


Kevin Drum channels some good sense from Adam Garfinkle, and has some of his own. Kevin also has this chart:


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And notes that the vast majority come from the North-east of the country, which is where most of the Libyans who went to Iraq - more than any other nation - to fight the US presence there hailed from.


Arnaud deBorchgrave over at The Atlantic Council says everythings shaping up nicely for a "Libyan Quagmire" and writes that the Council on Foreign Relations "were almost unanimous in rejecting what they considered a harebrained venture." CFR President Richard N. Haass called it, "Too much too late," while past president  Leslie H. Gelb added: "The reason why neither President Obama nor his coalition partners in Britain and France can state a coherent goal for Libya is that none of them have any central interest in the outcome. � It is only when a nation has a clear vital interest that it can state a clear objective for war. They've all simply been carried away by their own rhetoric."


Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies sees three possible outcomes, but no easy "end-state" (per deBorchgrave).



1. A divided group of rebel factions, neutrals and former Gadhafi loyalists with no experience in politics, democracy and governance takes over with almost totally predictable effects."


2. "Mission confusion" is now even more of a risk than "mission creep." If the no-fly zone is literally enforced as a "no-fly zone," it is far from clear that the rebel factions can survive, much less win.


3. There is no clear winner. Libya divides for an unpredictable amount of time into two hostile zones with either a front or cease-fire line and a political and economic struggle goes on with periodic episodes of violence.



And former UK ambassador to Washington Sir Christopher Meyer tweets "What happens when the Libya operation morphs from protecting civilians into taking sides in a civil war?" and "Unless Gaddafi implodes, sooner or later there'll be a need for boots on the ground to police a ceasefire. Better be Arab or Turkish boots." The chances of those boots being anything other than French, British and American are looking pretty slim, though.


It's shaping up to be a very muddy quagmire indeed.



1 comment:

  1. What part of the DC and corporate establishment benefits from this lunatic adventurism in Libya? That's what we need to determine. Because clearly someone is, and that's why it happened.

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