Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, March 9, 2010

The horrible details of U.S. waterboarding

by Jay McDonough



Waterboarding-demo-uc-berkeley-111507-by-john-han It shouldn't be a big surprise that, when relying on the architects of the Bush Administration torture policies for details, information about the use of torture will come in small dribs and drabs, be shaded by understatement of the harm and exaggeration of the benefits, and be massaged to be way less horrible than it no doubt actually is.



Torture supporters typically use euphemisms to describe the torture; waterboarding is really just "a dunk in the water" or "a splash on the face".  The advocates also claim that waterboarding can't be torture, as U.S. troops are subjected to the treatment as a part of SERE training.  The torture supporters seem never to be asked how a controlled and voluntary simulation by fellow soldiers is anything like a protracted interrogation of a terrorist suspect by CIA agents who are only interested in extracting information.



After reviewing released CIA internal documents, some new details on the "dunk in the water" is documented by Mark Benjamin at Salon. 




The documents ... lay out, in chilling detail, exactly what should occur in each two-hour waterboarding "session." Interrogators were instructed to start pouring water right after a detainee exhaled, to ensure he inhaled water, not air, in his next breath. They could use their hands to "dam the runoff" and prevent water from spilling out of a detainee's mouth. They were allowed six separate 40-second "applications" of liquid in each two-hour session � and could dump water over a detainee's nose and mouth for a total of 12 minutes a day. Finally, to keep detainees alive even if they inhaled their own vomit during a session � a not-uncommon side effect of waterboarding � the prisoners were kept on a liquid diet. The agency recommended Ensure Plus.





The CIA's waterboarding regimen was so excruciating, the memos show, that agency officials found themselves grappling with an unexpected development: detainees simply gave up and tried to let themselves drown. "In our limited experience, extensive sustained use of the waterboard can introduce new risks," the CIA's Office of Medical Services wrote in its 2003 memo. "Most seriously, for reasons of physical fatigue or psychological resignation, the subject may simply give up, allowing excessive filling of the airways and loss of consciousness."





When torture supporters were busily claiming the effectiveness of waterboarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, they conveniently omitted the fact that KSM had been waterboarded 183 times and Zubaydah 83 times.  When torture supporters would tout the value of the information Abu Zubaydah provided, they somehow failed to mention that the actionable intelligence he provided was admitted prior to his waterboarding.  After President Bush bragged about the information obtained by torturing Abu Zubaydah, the Washington Post, after reviewing case files, concluded that absolutely no credible intelligence came from Zubaydah's interrogations that utilized torture.

According to a released Department of Justice memorandum, waterboarding was discontinued in 2005 and ex Vice President Dick Cheney maintains that only three suspected terrorists were waterboarded in U.S. custody.

Given the history of lies and understatement?  Sorry, but I'm way skeptical.



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