Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, April 26, 2008

Drums In The Deep

By Cernig



Following on from Libby's post about Gates almost breaking into tears as he stressed to junior officers the virtues of loyal dissent, I want to flag up James Joyner's thoughts on whether the drums for war with Iran are beating anew in the depths of Moria the White House. While Mullen is ratchering up the rhetoric, Gates is saying that war with Iran would be "disasterous on a number of levels". Connected? Does Gates know something "we-the-people" should?



James also cites Bernard Finel making an excellent point:

The argument is that diplomacy only works when backed up by force, or that at the very least putting a little fright into the Iranian leadership (maintaining strategic ambiguity) is unambiguously a good idea. Well, it doesn�t and it isn�t.



Diplomacy does not always rely on implicit threats, and even when it does rely on threats, those threats need not be military. And strategic ambiguity is not particularly useful when it unquestionably strengthens extremist demagogues in Iran by seeming to support their rhetoric. Just like Chekov�s gun which if placed on the mantle in act one must be used by act three, placing the threat of force on the bargaining table also increases the likelihood it will be used. As a general rule, people don�t like to make concessions at the point of a gun, and any concessions they make under such circumstances will likely be overturned at the first opportune moment. There would undoubtedly be some emotional satisfaction in lashing out at Iran, but there is no coherent long-term strategy sustaining that course of action. As a wag once argued, �the only thing worse than a nuclear Iran is a nuclear Iran that we recently bombed.�

And the one thing most likely to ensure there's a nuclear-armed Iran is bombing it.



But as Jame's commenters reveal, he's a moderate outlier in conservative thinking. For those to his Right, it seems that the argument is straightforward: there's a slam-dunk case, the only thing these people understand is force, it'll be a cakewalk and we'll be greeted as liberators.



Hmmm...I think there may be a few problems with that.



(Some more thoughts on this from Jim Henley, and James in Jim's comments.)



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