Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, May 15, 2008

Let's just call it a war tax

By Libby



I keep hearing these arguments that the oil corporations shouldn't be penalized for making a profit but I'm with Skimble on this. Even if we acknowledge that the profits are partly, or even largely, a result of supply and demand, the fact remains that there's a correlation between the rising price of oil and the mess Bush created in Mesopotamia. Skimble is right in that the corporations profit from the war without having to lift a finger to support it. And the profits have been huge.

Today's WSJ shows quarterly net income (i.e., profit) for Shell of $9.08 billion. For BP it's $7.62 billion. Those profits are billions, not millions, for three months of income.



That's almost $17 billion of profit for just two companies, excluding ExxonMobil, in this quarter alone. At this rate, the combined profits of the industry for the year will exceed $100 billion.



Even in rapidly decaying US dollars, that's a f*ckload of money. [...] On the other hand, we the American taxpayers are not volunteers. Indiana's middle class is paying more for the war than the oil conglomerates. It is only fitting that BP, Shell, and ExxonMobil be harshly taxed to help pay for the war that makes them so f*cking profitable.

Skimble is right on and spare me the free market arguments. Between futures trading and supply machinations, the oil market is one of the most manipulated marketplaces we have and fuel is not a commodity that's particularly discretionary. For millions of Americans, not driving is not an option and the handful of megacorps essentially have a monolopy on the product.



But let's not look at a windfall tax as a punishment, but rather a patriotic contribution from the megacorps to the overall wellbeing of the nation. They've made a fortune from this war and really they should be voluntarily tithing some portion of those obscene profits to paying for it in order to take some burden off the working class. But since we can't count on their altruism, then a war tax seems fair to me. [via]



4 comments:

  1. I've written a bunch about this topic. First at http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com/swimming_freestyle/2008/05/the-nuance-of-w.html.
    Then http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com/swimming_freestyle/2008/05/carly-fiorina-o.html on corporate tax policy.
    Sorry....didn't know how to hyperlink these.

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  2. I see one major problem here, though. Regardless of whether you think that the oil companies ought to pay a "war tax" or a "windfall tax," and even though you are certainly right, at least to a point, that the war has benefited the oil companies, a special tax on oil company profits won't ultimately be paid by the oil companies. It will be paid by their customers in the former of even higher gas prices. If you're like me and don't have a problem with higher gas prices for environmental purposes, then this is fine. However, if you are angry about high gas prices, placing a special tax on oil company profits is a really bad way to go about solving that problem.

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  3. That's a good point Mark and I'm not sure how to address it but it seems likely that gas will go up in price no matter what. At least this way, the long term monetary burden from the war would be defrayed a bit.

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