By BJ
A couple of stories today got me thinking about when it would actually be the ethical choice to intervene by force for humanitarian reasons. The idea has most recently gained attention again due to the situation in Burma, but the story that got me thinking is a forced intervention of a far smaller scale.
A young boy suffering from a return of cancer that was once beaten into remission by chemotherapy. When it returned, he and his family refused treatment, but the courts intervened and are forcing him to take the treatments.
"If a doctor says [therapy] is in your best interest and you say you don't want it, within our laws, ethically and legally, that's fully acceptable," said Kerry Bowman of the University of Toronto's Joint Centre for Bioethics."And in this case that's kind of turned upside down. Best interests have taken over as opposed to what the family believes, and I think there's a lot of ethical tension here, and I think it's pretty worrisome."
As a child, his views are basically being dismissed as uninformed, and there is more than a little precedent for overruling a families choice in such matters. Having said that, intervening in the �best interests� of the children can be a slippery slope, either here or in a case like that of the polygamous compound raided in Texas last month. When do you overrule the parent�s right to raise their own children? And who do you empower to do so? The same rationale was used to justify things like residential schooling for aboriginals, which hardly worked out as beneficial.
The above chemo case seems simple, but what if the only result of the chemo is to make the kid�s last few months an even more painful ordeal than it would have been otherwise?
The reason I find that story important for a decision on a forced intervention in someplace like Burma, (or Darfur, or Somalia, or Zimbabwe, or New Orleans), is because the rationale and purpose are much the same, to do what�s best for those who can�t help themselves, and where those who are nominally responsible for them are refusing to do what is required.
It seems simple, and we so like simple narratives. I tend to oppose such interventions because the situation is never as simple as it is usually portrayed, and because of those we're forced to trust with the responsibility should an intervention go forward. I trust the child's doctors above understand his medical condition as well as it can be understood. I have significantly less trust in world leaders' understanding of Burma.
The military junta in Burma is evil, and therefore we're likely to say that those who oppose it must be on the side of good. For an idea of why that�s a really bad way of looking at things, remember that bin Laden and his buddies in the Taliban were �freedom fighters� per Reagan back when the US was funding them to fight the �Evil Empire�. The fact that some nasty pieces of work are lording it over their opponents unfortunately doesn�t mean their opponents are on the side of angels. More often they�re almost interchangeable, and occasionally, the reason the current nasties are in charge is because the folks they�re fighting were even worse and lost the population's support.
The situation in Burma is anything but simple, something that Eric Margolis was kind enough to explain last October when the junta was crushing the massive demonstrations occurring at the time.
But extreme caution is advised in dealing with Myanmar. If things go wrong there, it could turn into an Southeast Asian version of Iraq, Yugoslavia or Afghanistan.Myanmar�s central government has been at war for 50 years with 17 ethnic rebel groups seeking secession from the former 14-state Union of Burma created by Imperial Britain, godfather of many of the world�s worst current problems.
Burmans, of Tibetan ethnic origin, form 68% of the population of 57 million. But there are other important, distinct ethnic groups: Shan, the largely Christian Karen, Kachin, Chin, Mon, Wa, and Rakhine, Anglo-Burmese, Indians and Chinese. The largest, Shan, with their Shan State Army, are ethnically close to neighboring Thailand, and in cahoots with the Thai military. Each major ethnic group has its own army and finances itself through smuggling timber, jewels, arms, and drugs.
The military juntas in Rangoon, and its 500,000-man armed forces, know as `Tatmadaw,� battled these secessionists for decades until the current junta managed to establish uneasy ceasefires with all the major rebel groups.
If the junta were to be replaced by a democratic civilian government led by the gentle Suu Kyi, and military repression ended, it is highly likely Myanmar�s ethnic rebellions would quickly re-ignite. The only force holding Myanmar together is the military and secret police.
Shan, Karen, Kachin, and Mon still demand their own independent nations. Burma�s powerful neighbors � India, China and Thailand � have their eye on this potentially resource-rich nation. They, and neighboring Bangladesh, also fear Burma�s troubles will spill across their borders, as occurred in 2002 when the military junta expelled thousands of Muslims to Bangladesh from the Arakan region.
Now who would you trust to intervene forcefully into that situation?
The decisions are tough ones, as they should be. It's very hard to see people suffer and die when there is way to save them, but how do you ensure that your intervention doesn't end up causing more harm than the situation you intervened to stop would have caused on it's own? And is it ethical to let people die because you think intervening would be worse?
I respect your balance comment on different aspect but you should not forget that in order pass those crisis people have to dead and the conflict or negotiation must be made within different ethnic people in Burma to get the solution. All people want equal, unless people get equal opportunity the conflict will go and go. But the root problem of Burma situation is the military junta, there is no way that people can debate about their matter and reconciling one another. Therefore, overthrow the military junta is the only way to open the door to rebuild Burma as a confederation states which all people have equal opportunity. It doesn't means once the junta is overthrown the country will split many pieces. The root of Burma gained Independent from the British is because all ethnic made an agreement that all have enjoy equal opportunity. UN and international community can help Burma to rebuild a good federated country.
ReplyDeleteAs to Burma military junta not welcoming American rescue teams, they are well aware of the net results of American rescue efforts after the tsunami. The poor have been driven out of their ocean front homes and away from their ancestral fishing grounds, robbed of their ability to make a living from the sea as they have done for generations, so that investors can build resorts where these people used to live.
ReplyDeleteWhile I do not support the Burmese government's position, I cannot be entirely unsympathetic with it.
Eric Margolis should get his facts right! The majority of ethnic rebels are not fighting for succession but rather for a democratic and free system of government, much like the one you enjoy. And as for the military and secret police "holding Myanmar together"; since when is compliance at the point of a gun considered national unity?
ReplyDeleteThe military have been splintering the country and the people since it came to power in 1962. If a government cannot maintain the integrity of a country while allowing dissenting views to be expressed, there is no Nation to speak of.
As for the issue of forced intervention, as a person who actually has family at stake...'god speed' I say!
Tinzar
Just simple questions here...
ReplyDeleteWho's refusing help? And who needs help? Who's doing the best interest of Burmese people?
Do not ever talk or write about Burma if you don't know these answers...
Ko Ye
THE MILITARY JUNTA HAS SHOWN NO LEADERSHIP IN THIS CURRENT CYCLONE CRISIS - A SITUATION IN WHICH THEY COULD HAVE REDEEMED THEMSELVES TO SOME EXTENT AFTER THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN OF THE BUDDHIST MONKS.
ReplyDeleteNOW IT IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. THWE JUNTA SHOULD START DIGGING THEIR GRAVES.
KYAW-MYINT
Compliance at the point of a gun isn�t unity, but forced democracy at the point of foreign guns hasn�t worked out too well either in the last couple of places it was tried, in large part because the leaders refused to learn about the history or the people of the places they were interfering in.
ReplyDeleteMargolis does at times show a disturbing softness for military rulers. I quoted him because I haven�t found many other writers looking very carefully at the overall situation in Burma with anything approaching comprehensiveness. As I said, we like simple narratives, and that�s what our media feeds us. It�s a safe bet that for most North Americans, the main source of knowledge on the situation in Burma is Rambo IV.
I used Burma as an example because thanks to Cyclone Nargis and the initial refusal of the junta to allow international aid in to the affected region, it has been the source of recent calls for a military intervention. I�m willing to admit that my knowledge of the whole situation is less than perfect. In fact, that�s the whole point.
It wouldn�t be so bad if I had any confidence in our leadership�s understanding of the issues, but most of them still can�t figure out the difference between Sunni and Shia five years after they invaded a country with large populations of both. To trust them to properly handle an intervention in a country with a much larger number of divisions about which there is only sketchy information available is something I�m highly reluctant to do.
And even if the majority of the rebels were willing to work together to form a national government, we�ve seen elsewhere that a stubborn minority can be enough to ruin such efforts. And then there is the possibility that neighbouring countries may not be entirely helpful to the efforts.
Ultimately, I�m not saying that such an intervention should never take place, just that before people start calling for one, they make sure they understand the situation and the possible repercussions, and ensure that those in charge of such an intervention do as well. Because as we�ve seen elsewhere, a lack of understanding usually winds up making the cure worse than the disease was.
Firstly, the story of the young boy and his parents is far from the situation of the long suffering Burma people and the military regime in Burma. For decades, the main cause of Burma people's suffering is the regime itself. Most parents' paramount desire for their child is for it's welfare and to be free from suffering or any kind of harm. The regime has been inflicting sufferings and atrocities on Burma people for decades. In the case of the cyclone victims, the regime could not care less. They seized the aid provided by the UN, NGOs, took the best food, etc. for themselves and left the leftovers for the survivors. Is this a normal behaviour of parents?
ReplyDeleteSecondly, one of the main reasons the regime does not want US intervention is because they fear that the US may discover the atrocities they have been inflicting on the Karen people and other Burma's ethnic people.
If you ask Burma people, the majority of them will certainly want forced intervention because they have had to live under the brutal and murderous military regime far too long already. When one is in a hellish state already, can anything else be worse?
Invasion is a less satisfactory and messy option than arming the opposition to fight the junta which should have been done since 1988. It's not like it hasn't been done before by the West, international law notwithstanding; quite on the contrary there's a very long list of such covert intervention. It's the only language the generals understand. Arm the people to topple the tyrant and stop posturing.
ReplyDeleteHey BJ,
ReplyDeleteI see your post got linked by a couple of Burmese ex-pat forums and lists :-)
Regards, C
I see your post got linked by a couple of Burmese ex-pat forums and lists
ReplyDeleteI was wondering where people where coming from. Guess I beat the rush ahead of Kaplan's NYT article today.
Arm the people to topple the tyrant and stop posturing.
See: Afghan mujahidin, Taliban, al Qaeda, blowback. Among others.
The West has a less than stellar record of picking the right horse to back in such situations. Plus you're advocating civil war, which is usually bloodier and nastier than opposing states, and possibly a proxy war with China, which isn't going to help the people of Burma any.
Feraya - Firstly, I didn�t say the situations were the same, but that the motive for intervening comes from the same place. I also used it is because unlike a clear-cut case of abuse, his case has far more complicating factors that should make it a tougher decision to make. And �normal�? Normal parents don�t beat, starve, or sexually abuse their children, but it does happen. If Burma was �normal�, intervention wouldn�t be part of the discussion.
If you ask Burma people, the majority of them will certainly want forced intervention because they have had to live under the brutal and murderous military regime far too long already
From the above comments, and from what I do know of the situation, you�re probably right, at least initially. As most people should have learned by now; getting in is easy, it's how to get back out that usually causes problems.
When one is in a hellish state already, can anything else be worse?
See: Iraq, Somalia, Haiti
As bad as things are, there is always a way outsiders can find to make it worse, especially if they�re not particularly knowledgeable, competent, or caring. As I asked in the original post: Who would you trust to intervene in that situation?
I repsect BJ's views. I believe he means well. But his views show the lack of deep understanding in the Burma's ethnic politics, and are echoing the Burmese militray regime's propagandas and justification to hold on to power. Opinion is easy to give, but without proper understanding the issue it causes confusion and mis-understanding. People of Burma demand and want mature democratic change and a lot of work and energy have been put into the effort to achieve this goal.Burmese are not dreaming for change, they are tirlessly working on sustainable democratic change.
ReplyDeleteIntervention is not good but better than to let the junta ruling the country.Yes, every country is needed the army to protect the country and it's people but if the army failed to serve their own duty and themselves become the enemy of their own people and the destructors of the country, that time it is needed another army to intervene and save the same human and that country.For fearing the splitting Burma into pieces by letting the junta to hold the power, it is just the brainwashing psycology of the junta and who believed and hold this concept might be the one who biased for something beyond the balance surface. Actually, as the history told us,the beginning of the spirit of forming the union of Burma, there are no word to say majority or minority in eight states.There are no word to say majority race in the union must control on the other races in the whole country. But it was only based on a tiny agreement like a guitar strings to make a good equality and harmony musical sound.The one who can't play the guitar well,will make the strings be cut off.For all non-Burmese nationalities,to build a beautiful, a peaceful, develope and stable union with other races by the way of interdependent policy and mutual respect is the priority and the first of their choice. Secession is only their second choice. Their action and sense are all depend on Burmese politicians and Burmese goverment. When they failed to choose both the first as well as the second choice, then what is their thirst or fourth choices? Today, the junta or Burmese army is not only destroyed non-Burmese nationalities and their cultures,human right,properties,lands and freedom, but also destroying Burmese nationality themself and Burma. The old dog is eating its' baby now. So,what is your choice to save the citizens of union of Burma now?
ReplyDeleteThe question to intervene or not pops up at times like this, when large scale of people's lives are at stake. And Burma is really a special case, where the ruling junta would rather opt for 100% security hold on its political power, due to various reasons which it speculate could blow its cover of oppression, gross human rights abuses and mismanagement of the country in all sectors, than rescuing and helping the needy population hit by cyclone Nargis.
ReplyDeleteFor the Burmese junta, sacrificing a few millions of Irrawaddy inhabitants to maintain its hold on power is totally logical and acceptable. As all know, the junta has long lost its sanity and is obsessed by total obedience and control of the people, with zero tolerance.
But the people of Burma has been left to fend for themselves for nearly five decades and it is likely the recently talk about military intervention is not going to happen anytime soon. The present scenario will fade away soon, once the unfortunate population of the delta region perish under another looming, but avoidable human catastrophe through water-borne disease and other related ones, due to the lack of timely intervention by hand-tied international stakeholders and junta�s blockage of urgently needed humanitarian assistance.
Hopefully, the said murky scenario could be able to be diverted in time, one way or the other, including coercive humanitarian intervention. Otherwise, the world will have to live with the same guilty consciousness of inaction in times of dire needs and not hindering the foreseeable genocide like in Rwanda, Srebrenica and many others.
For now, the choice is still open for international stakeholders.
The question to intervene or not pops up at times like this, when large scale of people's lives are at stake. And Burma is really a special case, where the ruling junta would rather opt for 100% security hold on its political power, due to various reasons which it speculate could blow its cover of oppression, gross human rights abuses and mismanagement of the country in all sectors, than rescuing and helping the needy population hit by cyclone Nargis.
ReplyDeleteFor the Burmese junta, sacrificing a few millions of Irrawaddy inhabitants to maintain its hold on power is totally logical and acceptable. As all know, the junta has long lost its sanity and is obsessed by total obedience and control of the people, with zero tolerance.
But the people of Burma has been left to fend for themselves for nearly five decades and it is likely the recently talk about military intervention is not going to happen anytime soon. The present scenario will fade away soon, once the unfortunate population of the delta region perish under another looming, but avoidable human catastrophe through water-borne disease and other related ones, due to the lack of timely intervention by hand-tied international stakeholders and junta�s blockage of urgently needed humanitarian assistance.
Hopefully, the said murky scenario could be able to be diverted in time, one way or the other, including coercive humanitarian intervention. Otherwise, the world will have to live with the same guilty consciousness of inaction in times of dire needs and not hindering the foreseeable genocide like in Rwanda, Srebrenica and many others.
For now, the choice is still open for international stakeholders.
BJ, your assertion that advocating civil war could be bloodier and nastier though very true overlooks just one fact. Burma's civil war has been going on since 1947 before independence. And what makes you think invasion and resistance with all the so-called collateral damage will be actually less so? It could have been curtains to the generals had Aung San Suu Kyi not made two fatal mistakes in 1988. She denied she was trying to split the army which closed ranks on her own endorsement. Then she split the opposition by rejecting U Nu's offer to join an interim government in a bid to overthrow the generals. It was the same fear of civil war that sealed the fate of the 1988 uprising, an opportunity not to return for another 20 years. To remain in denial of the reality of civil war that most of the country has experienced for so long simply prolongs the suffering of all the peoples of Burma, and not just the minorities these days. Besides true national reconciliation without the overthrow of the junta will remain a pipe dream.
ReplyDeleteFrom the bitter experience of 1988 people have been praying for the army to split since the Saffron Revolution but, as Dr Zarni in a recent interview with the BBC paraphrased Benjamin Franklin, they realise that if they don't hang together they will all hang seperately, not to mention how filthy rich they have become by robbing their own people.
Hey, bj
ReplyDeleteYou still don't understand the Burma militray regime. Go and live in Insein or in remote ethnic area then you will know what real Burma is. You better do your home work before you write something on Burma.
Ko Ye
by the way, do you know what is Insein??
Gus,
ReplyDeleteGood points. In truth I don't know if invasion, or more covert support for rebel groups, will be better or worse in the long run. Nobody can predict the future that well. It would depend a great deal on how it is implemented, and the West has shown some poor judgement in other interventions.
While my post and comments seem to be interpreted as totally non-interventionist, the main point I wanted to get across was, "Proceed with Caution!" From cases like Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Horn of Africa, we've seen that badly planned or thought out interventions can make things far worse. Burmans have it badly enough that they don't deserve some incompetent attempt at an intervention make things worse. if an inteervention is to happen, we owe it to them to ensure its done as close to properly as can be.
Ye Yint,
I can tell you that Insein is a township in southern Burma and home to one of its most infamous prisons, but I won't pretend that I'll ever know what the real Burma is like, or that I can understand its regime. As I said above, if I could trust that those who would plan and lead any intervention knew more than me, i wouldn't be so concerned, but I've seen little evidence that they do, and that's what worries me.
I do understand your concern BJ. The West's record of covert or overt intervention has not been impressive despite the long list when it comes to whom it benefits, mainly the West as it turns out. Who do you reckon kindled the communal strife in Burma as elsewhere? The British - and once it starts nobody handles it well, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth ad nauseum. In practical terms Burmese people are so desperate and being let down every time by constructive engagement, international pressure etc. and their own attempts at dialogue i.e playing the generals' game, what they really need after water and high energy biscuits are container loads of AK47s and RPGs. A spark will become a wild fire and, you know what, patriotic officers in the army might even split and join the people in what ASSK has called the second struggle for independence..
ReplyDeleteYeah, people could and should be worried for something if there any intervention."Proceed with Caution!"! Right! No body can predict the future of Burma if there intervention take place. But many union of Burma citizens can predict their future well if Burma is to be continued under control of this Burmese junta.Right, the west is still not smart enough and the junta is still not worst enough. Just let the people of Burma waiting until their enough actions.That time when the big is die, the dog will also in heavy wound.Why people so concerned for the sky will collapse while all the earth is nearly under salt water?
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