Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Sunday, June 15, 2008

AP Gets Worried

By Cernig



News of the Associated Press' bully-boy tactics against bloggers on Friday and the pushback Saturday and Sunday which has led a bipartisan boycott of AP to spread widely across the internet has hit the mainstream media after the weekend of bipartisan blogger buzz.



In a New York Times article today, Saul Hansell reports that AP agrees that it has been "heavy handed" in it's treatment of The Drudge Retort and dragged in its executives - presumably on Father's Day - for an emergency meeting to discuss the matter of Fair Use for bloggers.  Jim Kennedy, AP's vice president and strategy director, told the NYT �We don�t want to cast a pall over the blogosphere by being heavy-handed, so we have to figure out a better and more positive way to do this.�

Mr. Kennedy said the company was going to meet with representatives of the Media Bloggers Association, a trade group, and others. He said he hopes that these discussions can all occur this week so that guidelines can be released soon.



Still, Mr. Kennedy said that the organization has not withdrawn its request that Drudge Retort remove the seven items. And he said that he still believes that it is more appropriate for blogs to use short summaries of A.P. articles rather than direct quotations, even short ones.



�Cutting and pasting a lot of content into a blog is not what we want to see,� he said. �It is more consistent with the spirit of the Internet to link to content so people can read the whole thing in context.�

In other words, while admitting their bullying tactics, saying they have "suspended" those tactics and saying they are going to rethink their policies, nothing has actually changed on the ground - the ridiculous DMCA takedowns for excerpts of 40 to 70 words that began the whole affair are still in force. Sheerest spin, just like Mr. Kennedy's previous comments which sounded good but were highly at odds with takedown suits for 40 word excerpts.



Simon Owens at Bloggasm spoke to Rogers Cadenhead about the AP's suits and what he was told also seems to contradict Kennedy's spin:

I asked Cadenhead why he thinks he has been targeted by the AP. �It�s possible that they�re just becoming more regressive in this area,� he replied. �If they�re up there selling a service that�s just headlines, titles and ledes, they can see what happens on blogs as a threat to that business. It�s hard to say though because for me they�re not communicating with me on any of this. There�s not really a dialog where they say �it�s OK for you to do this as long as you don�t do this.� They�re saying everything is illegal�This is a social news site. I have to communicate to my users what�s permissible and what isn�t, but they make that difficult because they don�t tell anyone what�s allowed.�

And as Scott Rosenberg writes, the notion that the "spirit of the internet" is about linking and summarizing is in any case just bizarre.

We are apparently going to serve our readers better by paraphrasing and linking than by quoting and linking (as I just did). This strains credulity. The �spirit of the Internet� has always been about linking and excerpting. Actually, the �spirit of the Internet� is probably even more about wholesale copying. But that spirit has always had to make tradeoffs with businesses like the AP. I hope the company�s leaders continue to step back from the absurd brink they�ve conjured for themselves.

Over at BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis gives AP a salutory lesson in how that doesn't serve accuracy in blogging, by summarizing their position "without the quotes from the AP that might better state its stance (ahem)".



So, while AP is clearly worried by all the negative publicity they have generated by their self-admitted "heavy handed" moves, they want to talk fine but not really address the problem in a substantative way. Instead, they want to dictate a set of "guidelines" enforced by the overhanging threat of legal action. TechCrunch's Michael Arrington cuts through the spin to get at AP's real intent:

Those that disregard the guidelines risk being sued by the A.P., despite the fact that such use may fall under the concept of fair use.



The A.P. doesn�t get to make it�s own rule around how its content is used, if those rules are stricter than the law allows. So even thought they say they are making these new guidelines in the spirit of cooperation, it�s clear that, like the RIAA and MPAA, they are trying to claw their way to a set of legal property rights that don�t exist today. And like the RIAA and MPAA, this is done to protect a dying business model - paid content.

And so many more bloggers are likely to copy TechCrunch's policy:

So here�s our new policy on A.P. stories: they don�t exist. We don�t see them, we don�t quote them, we don�t link to them. They�re banned until they abandon this new strategy, and I encourage others to do the same until they back down from these ridiculous attempts to stop the spread of information around the Internet.

You can keep up with the AP boycott as it spreads across the internet and sign the petition here.



Update: The news of the boycott has jumped the pond - the UK's Guardian has noticed too.



Update 2: James Joyner, who sits on the board of Bob Cox's Media Bloggers Association, says that the MBA will be talking to AP about all this. I hope that James and the rest of the board of the MBA will be telling AP that any attempt to push their guidelines beyond what is already set down in law, and thus establish a creeping precedent they can use against bloggers later, will be unacceptable. Law Prof. Ann Althouse addresses that question well today.





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16 comments:

  1. Keep banging the drum Cernig. I've put the logo on my site as well.

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  2. I love it when a plan comes together. I hope the boycott lasts long enough that people fall out of the habit of using AP even if they do back down now. The other services are much better. Makes for better content all around.

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  3. How dare they attempt to control their work. It's not important that they put time, effort and sweat into covering these stories. All that matters is the spirit of the internet, we should be able to steal as much of it as we want.
    I'll sign that petition!!

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  4. I blogged about it on my marketing blog, MarketingBlurb, which is part of the Know More Media network, and posted the logo. I discuss the AP's choice from a marketing perspective. You can check it our here:
    http://www.marketingblurb.com/2008/06/associated_press_says_get_lost.html
    Keep up the good work of spreading the word!

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  5. Gee, James Kennedy lying. Who would have thought?
    I mean, I thought he got it out of his system over associated-with-terrorists Bilal Hussein.
    And I thought he got it out of his system over arguably-nonexistent Jamil Hussein.
    And I thought he got it out of his system for the AP's Pulitzer for participating as propagandist in the murder of election workers.
    And I thought he got it out of his system over the AP TV crew that participated in the mutilation of four US contractors in 2004.
    I guess not. I guess it goes pretty deep in his system, huh?

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  6. You might consider learning the difference between these two words:
    its
    it's
    -- they are not the same and cannot be used interchangeably.

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  7. Hey, Dan, AP is getting what it says it wants -- no links, no fair use excerpts. Now all that sweat, toil, and trouble is theirs, and theirs alone. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

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  8. Ocouha, you might consider learning how to comment on topic and actually adding value instead of pretending to be the grammar police.
    Dan, the point is that AP is trying to set a creeping precedent beyond what the law says they can. John is correct, they should have been careful what they wished for.
    Regards, C

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  9. Everyone including the print press should boycott AP until they stop putting out biased and misleading stories, which just about sums up all their output.

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  10. Let me add a hearty, "HAW Haw!", for the AP. Only an idiot wouldn't have seen this kind of backlash coming. Grabbing more popcorn to watch their flailing.

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  11. You need to quote someone's articles. Most of professional journalists do get piss off if bloggers steal their content without quoting its own. For example, Kaavya Viswanathan orginally stole McCafferty's idea. Somehow, "Opal Mehta Got Kissed, Got Wild and Got a Life" author by Viswanathan, got famous and got into big trouble in Harvard school. She can't write well.
    I remember my Grammar Nazi professor give an "F" for my English term paper. She allowed students to steal people's content without quoting. She would pass everyone in class. I failed. Because I don't want to steal people's works and take wrong path.
    Finally, with honest works, on my term paper I used quotes to pass class. So, I passed ENG 101 and 102. I could've done a lot better and remove dyslexia problem in my brain. I got "B+", "B-".
    I guess people with grammar nazi behavior don't know what is "dyslexia"? So, what is it? Can you find a cure?

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  12. This is a blessing in disguise. AP has been of late, contrary to the bright light shined on its works by the internet, taken to producing ever more biased and misleading articles.
    In effect, they produce little more than editorials presented as facts these days.

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  13. I disagree and think that the boycott is completely counter-productive.
    Critics of the Associated Press' policies and the organizers of the boycott are correct in their assertions, and their watchdog vigilance serves us all well. However, such cyberactivists ought to realize that, to protect open communication, loud public criticism serves them better than a boycott of the very information they are trying to defend.
    http://thenerfherder.blogspot.com/2008/06/online-boycott-of-associated-press.html

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  14. Rdomanaski -- I can see your point but I disagree with it. Pressure works when it is applied to a leverage point. One of the traditional leverage points is money, and the media industry is an eyeball industry. More eyeballs increases the value of a work while fewer decreases the value of a work, especially when the work has numerous near substitutes. The work produced by AFP, UPI and Reuters is closely similar to the AP in most/all domains, so switching consumption patterns sends a louder and more persistant signal than sending off a sternly worded letter or ten thousand emails. Dual tracking may be a better alternative of setting out a clear set of positions (reasonable fair use as defined by law and not the AP execs) and using the stick of decreasing the AP's comparative value proposition to its members as the stick to gain this objective.

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  15. "The news of the boycott has jumped the pond - the UK's Guardian has noticed too."
    Er, I noticed it before them.
    But then I'm just a - sob - blogger ... :{

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  16. I question whether Associated Press actually has much say in the matter. These are the reasons:
    (1) Much of the material Associated Press runs is taken from its member newspapers and publications. As soon as the member generates material, "Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created," according to the Copyright Office Thus, with material picked up from members, the original copyright rests with them, not Associated Press.
    (2) Associated Press would be able to acquire the original copyright from the member source, but it takes written documentation and registration with the copyright office. It's unlikely, however, that the Washington Post is going to transfer all of its rights in full.
    (3) Associated Press would be able to "share" the copyright under transfer rules, but it must have an agreement with the original author to do so. Just asking to use and redistribute the material shouldn't be sufficient.
    **(My broadcast organization is a "subscriber member" of the Associated Press. Here is the total sum of all our membership agreement has to say about AP's right to use my material:
    **"Subscriber shall, without cost to (AP), promptly make available to (AP) .... all information original to the Subscribe in all forms gathered by Subscriber that is spontaneous in its origin, for use in news report(s) of AP and its subsidiaries."
    **That's it. No request to "share" copyright.
    Associated Press may place the copyright notice on material I and other subscriber members turn over under our agreement, but it is meaningless. We've simply granted them a license to use it, not to share in the copyright.
    I may place a copyright notice on any material I get from an associate and I may do it forever. But it has no meaning. Thus, the Associated Press notice on material picked up from the Washington Post similarly has no meaning.
    The Copyright Office has no means or authority or desire to enforce the notion of copyrighted material. It is the concern of the original author who may, or may not, call on a trespasser to cease and desist.
    My conclusion: Member subscribers of Associated Press have not taken steps to tell their press association to stop "pretending" to have the copyright authority over material they supply AP. But that's OK. They still own the copyright anyway. It cannot be taken away. By the same token, AP has oversteped in claiming rights they do not have.

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