Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, April 25, 2009

The Strategic Failure of Torture

By BJ Bjornson


Jay was quite right to note that the torture floodgates have been opened. The revelations about the torture program, and the attempts of the apologists to defend them, remain very much the main topic of discussion these days. Since the rest of the crew is doing a bang-up job on the topic, I thought I'd focus on something that twigged my memory in one of our Senior Comrade Licentious Nihilist Extremist's posts, (see this post's comments for explanation of the title). In particular, two of the points from Bernard Finel.


First, if the United States fails to cooperate with these investigations, it raises the possibility of future difficulties in intelligence sharing and cooperation on criminal justice matters. Our failure to take active measures to investigate and punish torture taints our entire justice system, potentially causing problems on issues of extradition and sharing of evidence until the U.S. system is �clean.�


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Third, we are likely to face problems in the area of military cooperation as European militaries worry about cooperating with or serving under the command of officers who might be deemed war criminals. This clearly could pose problems for NATO.



These points are not really speculative. The issues of cooperation and prisoner access have already come up in the Afghan theatre.


For the almost five years that Canadian troops have been in Afghanistan, there has been controversy over what to do with captured Taliban fighters and other suspected insurgents.


The former Liberal government initially decided to turn prisoners over to the U.S. military, which was then leading the fight against al-Qaeda and other militants. But that policy did not always sit well at home.


Then, when the UN took over responsibility for quelling Afghan's insurgents � and when Washington began to develop a reputation for pushing the limits of the Geneva Convention on prisoners � Canada struck a deal with the new Afghanistan government to turn its prisoners over to Afghan security forces.



It was a couple of years after the transfer to Afghan authorities began that the whole process wound up blowing up into a major scandal for the Canadian government. The reason?


Legal authorities in Canada have said Canadian soldiers involved in past transfers of captives to Afghan security forces � who have a bad reputation when it comes to torture � could be charged with assisting war crimes.




And as noted previously, it was the reputation the Bush administration was creating that led Canada to stop transferring prisoners to their custody in the first place.  A reputation that turns out to be very well deserved indeed, and leads to the same problem for other allied countries.


From re-reading a few dozen articles and blog posts from that time, the issue is that under international law, a country�s responsibility to ensure the humane treatment of captured prisoners doesn�t end when it transfers custody to another nation, and transferring prisoners to a jurisdiction with known human rights issues makes you complicit in the crimes committed against those transferred.


In short, assisting a United States whose record on human rights remains doubtful could result in serious consequences for the soldiers or other personnel who assist them. Under such circumstances, it seems reasonable that other countries may wish to limit their ties to the American intelligence community.


You wind up with a nation cut off from even its own allies, which as John Robb notes, is a really bad idea:


In short, a primary objective of US grand strategy should be to increase its connectivity within the moral sphere.  The embrace of torture does exactly the opposite.  It self-inflicts moral isolation on the US by violating codes of conduct we profess to uphold.  


This moral isolation creates an internal dialogue plagued by mistrust, menace, and uncertainty.  As a result, non-cooperative centers of gravity organically develop (internal opposition movements) and every decision becomes more difficult to accomplish.  Over a long conflict, like the one we are engaged in, anything that leads to slower and less effective decision making this early in the process is nothing short of a disaster.



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