Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, June 8, 2009

Moral Equivalence Monday

By Steve Hynd


It's a day when conservatives and American exceptionalists are having to work especially hard to look way, way up to see the moral high ground.


American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee have been convicted of illegal entry into North Korea and a further unspecified "grave crime", probably spying. The judicial process was, of course, a joke - with conviction a foregone conclusion - and the pair received 12 years hard labor in a forced-labor camp. Spencer Ackerman notes conditions in these camps and worries that the line differentiating them from even harsher camps for political prisoners may blur. The latter routinely include humiliation, stress positions and other abuses along with the back-breaking work and brainwashing attempts of common camps.


Kangaroo courts, abuses and tortures for trumped up crimes. Where have we heard that before? Oh yeah. Glenn Greenwald begins a must-read post on the moral depravity of the U.S. government across two administrations (remember...Bagram) with this:



Lakhdar Boumediene is an Algerian (and Bosnian citizen) who, while living in Bosnia and working for the International Red Crescent, was arrested by the Bosnian government (at the behest of the Bush administration) shortly after 9/11 on charges of plotting to blow up a U.S. and British embassy, but was then quickly cleared by Bosnian courts of any wrongdoing and ordered released.  But as he was about to be released -- in January, 2002 -- he was abducted by the U.S. military inside Bosnia and shipped to Guantanamo, where he remained without charges for the next almost 8 years, and was clearly tortured.  


And finally, as the man accused of assassinating Dr. George Tiller tells the A.P. that �I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,� John Cole wonders when those same supporters of the American Exceptionalist standard of moral depravity will call for Scott Roeder to be waterboarded.



Since there is no doubt that we have a history of anti-abortion domestic terrorism, and since we know that evangelicals already support torture for everyone, when do we get to start waterboarding this guy? Does he have any children whose testicles can be crushed? Will we keep him up for weeks on end in stress positions in extremely cold rooms to get him to break? Beat him? All the right made a very good show of how shocked and appalled they were when this man killed Dr. Tiller, so surely they will not object. So when do we get to start torturing this guy?


And of course, the answer should be �NEVER.� Torture is wrong. Torture is immoral. Torture is evil. Torture is illegal. Torture does more violence to our values than it does to the individual being tortured. Torture is unreliable. Torture is counter-productive- everything someone says after being tortured should be treated as suspect.


America has surrendered the moral high ground on stuff like the conviction and sentencing of Ling and Lee. That doesn't make what has happened to them any less horrific or shameful, but it does mean America should shun those who led it there and their supporters.



4 comments:

  1. Yglesias has a description of what goes on in the NK labor camps. Should sound familiar!

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  2. My fingers are crossed that with Richardson on the case maybe the 2 women will only have a short stay in North Korea.� The irony of the USA yapping about what any other country does to its citizens however is priceless but expected from exceptionalville and frankly the realpolitik response of the Obama regime to his countries crimes only underlines that nothing will change.�


    A striking moment during the question and answer session after Darius Rejali's lecture at the Sydney Ideas 2009 lectures is when he notes that torture is never raised with him as a moral issue in the USA.


    Depressingly stunning.

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  3. Wait for Clinton to demand due process and the world to reject shams trials -- by the dastardly still-part-of-the-axis-of-evil North Koreans!!

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  4. My God. Here it is:
    Clinton appeals to N. Korea for release of U.S. journalists
    "Obviously, we are deeply concerned about the length of the sentences and the fact this trial was conducted totally in secret with no observers,."
    -- Hillary Clinton
    Amazing.

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