Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, June 9, 2009

Stopping the Senate to Torture

By Fester:


Senators Graham (R-SC) and Lieberman (I-CT) like torture, or at least they do not like accountability for torture, and thus they enable future torture as government policy and government sanctioned freelancing.  That is about all I can conclude from their threats to shut down the Senate if they don't get their way on blocking the Freedom of Information Act from applying to documents and images that supply evidence of American government sanctioned or condoned acts of torture. 


From Roll Call:



Sen. Joe Lieberman (ID-Conn.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) threatened to hold up any and all legislation in the Senate until Congress passes its legislation to prohibit the release of photos showing detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan.


�We�re not going to do any more business in the Senate,� Graham said. �Nothing�s going forward until we get this right.�


Getting this 'right' would be worth shutting down the Senate for a while if getting it right meant admitting to our failings as a society and government and then seeking to put into place mechansism of oversight and training that would prevent those failings from occurring again.  Getting it 'right' in Graham's sense of the word is to condone torture.  Graham argues that releasing those photos and not the actual acts of torture will weaken American influence and prestige.  I argue that the acts matter more than the documentation. 


The Angry Drunk Bureaucrat's 2nd rule for Bureaucrats is the 60 Minutes rule:



 "Never do anything that would cause Ed Bradley, Mike Wallace, Morley Safer, Steve Croft, Leslie Stahl, or even Andy Rooney to pursue you down a hallway with a camera crew."


Booman expands on this logic of sunlight as a disinfectant and as a deterrant of bad behavior:



I'd like to point out that the Freedom of Information Act is one of the key pillars that helps correct bad foreign policy decisions and to prevent them from happening in the first place.


For example, if seeing images of what the government is doing, and allowing to be done, is going to inflame world opinion against our nation's foreign policies, then, in most cases, we ought not to be pursuing those policies.

I can imagine exceptions. I certainly understand that images can be used selectively in a propagandistic way. No single image, or series of images, can tell the whole story. Sometimes such compilations can be deeply misleading. The answer to that, though, is not suppression but more information that helps give a truer and more nuanced picture of reality.

The bottom line is that it is precisely because these images, if released, will reflect badly on our government that they have the power of preventing our government from continuing to do things that reflect badly upon it. That is the real value of the FOIA. Efforts to weaken the FOIA are really an acknowledgment that our foreign policy cannot be sustained in the light of day.


Right now the laws that have been put into place to not torture are not credible laws as the enforcement mechanisms are hobbled.  Telecoms credibly believe that if they whip up the fear and campaign contributions, they can violate FISA, civilian contractors and government employees can credibly believe that if they violate torture laws, they can raise a political stink and inflict sufficient political costs to avoid an investigation much less punishment.  The Office of Legal Counsel and the Executive Office of the President (and the VP as 4th Branch) can credibly believe that they can either blame the little guys as Bad Apples who were following 'legal-ish' orders or take the reverse Nuremburg defense of "I'm only giving orders" and have legions of legal and media hitmen echo this point. 


Publicity is a credible threat against future bad behavior.  We, as a society, need to impose credible penalities and costs on torture so that we as a nation do not engage in torture.  Costly signals are the only credible signals. 


 



2 comments:

  1. What Republican Senator Graham and Independent Senator Liebermann are trying to do is hide evidence of Republican torture crimes and war crimes and they are hiding behind the 'troops' to do it.

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  2. So Lieberman and his buddy Graham are willing to shut down the Senate over this. Ok.
    Make 'em do it. Make them stand at the mike day after and and explain to the media and voters why the Senates business is not getting done.
    If only Harry Reid were a Democrat! ( I know that's his party registration, but you'd seldom know it from his votes.).

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