Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, July 11, 2009

15 British Troops Dead In 2 Days

By Steve Hynd


The death toll of British troops in Afghanistan has now surpassed the toll in Iraq, with 15 soldiers killed in 48 hours during the British Helmland offensive partnering the one from U.S. Marines. Meanwhile, the Marine's offensive has reportedly stalled in the face of hosts of mines and IED explosives along their lines of advance.


The conservative-leaning Daily Express is the first British newspaper to state the obvious in an editorial: there's no winning strategy and no exit sign for British involvement in America's colonial adventure.




IN case anyone hadn�t noticed, there is a war on. And when this nation is at war it has a tradition of pulling together in support of the troops. But as far as the campaign in Afghanistan is concerned there is precious little sign of that. The death toll of British troops there this week is horrendous.




And yet the Government has been put under almost no pressure to explain what our soldiers are doing and when it expects their mission to be completed.


Gordon Brown does not appear to know whether this war is worth prosecuting with the full might of the nation�s military resources or not. He has already turned down a request from Barack Obama to send significant reinforcements, while the shameful inadequacy of the equipment supplied to our soldiers has already been well documented. After the losses of the past few days, this half-hearted approach has become utterly unsustainable. Britain and indeed the whole of Nato must now decide whether this fiendishly difficult bid to tame a hitherto untamable land is worth all the blood that is being spilt.


This newspaper�s assessment is that the chance of outright victory in Afghanistan vanished the moment US and British forces went into Iraq. The focus on Afghanistan was lost and the coalition against terror broke up. There is now little prospect of the rest of Nato committing wholeheartedly to the fight against the Taliban. In a war of attrition, such as is presently being fought, victory will not be achieved, but heavy losses will certainly be sustained. Our brave soldiers deserve far better than that.





It was always the conservative establishment who were most against Britain's continued enmiring in Bush's Iraq occupation - and now it appears that conservatives will lead the way in calling for an exit from Afghanistan too. There's certainly a part of that which is just the cynical politics of opposition, but there's also a part that's just good sense. The British populace are, if anything, more generally accepting of foreign wars than their American cousins but there's a limit to what even the "fighting Blitz spirit" will countenance when a military entanglement has no plan, no metrics for success and no end in sight. The Tories are just getting out ahead of the curve.


Update: As Gordon Brown defends the UK's involvement and insists the Afghan war is being won (the credibility of that claim being dependent on how credible you think Brown is in general), renowned British military historian Correlli Barnett has an op-ed in the pages of the very conservative Daily Mail in which he argues that Britain must unilaterally withdraw from Afghanistan.



So what should we do? The Duke of Wellington once said that the real test of a general was to know when to retreat and dare to do it. A cool-headed and objective examination of the military and political evidence about the state of play in Afghanistan ought to convince HM Government that Britain must retreat from Afghanistan, and that they must now dare to announce a future date for this.


After all, there are historical precedents. In 1984, Margaret Thatcher unilaterally withdrew the British contingent from the U.S.-led multi-national force in the Lebanon after a truck bomb demolished the U.S. base in Beirut, killing 242 U.S. marines, and it became clear that the Lebanese government could not be preserved from its internal enemies.


No doubt it would take moral courage now to announce that British forces would be permanently withdrawn from combat operations in Afghanistan at the end of the current Panther's Claw campaign. It might even require the courage to tell the French and Germans to do a spot of fighting in our place.


It would take more moral courage on the Government's part to distance Britain from President Obama's positively Bushite pursuit of 'victory' in Afghanistan, and announce a firm date for the final evacuation of British forces.


And it would take even more moral courage still because a decision to pull out would not be supported by the Conservative opposition, with its positively neo-con shadow ministers for defence and foreign affairs, but only by Nick Clegg's Liberal Democrats.


But without such a brave decision, British servicemen and women will go on pointlessly dying, while a more and more disillusioned nation simply wants our troops home - - not in coffins draped with the Union Flag, but marching through cheering crowds.


Barnett is influential among the UK conservative foreign policy "old guard", folks like Heseltine and Rifkin. That he's citing Thatcher is significant and pressages a feud about staying the course in Afghanistan among UK conservative ranks, between the realists and the neocons, similiar to the ones we've already seen in the U.S. and UK over Iraq. Afghanistan will be a major issue in the next UK general election and David Cameron will have to weigh up whether his support for his neocon colleague's preferences might cost him No. 10.



3 comments:

  1. "The British populace are, if anything, more generally accepting of foreign wars than their American cousins"
    Where do you get that from? 1,000,000 people marched in London against the Iraq war: 1 in 60 of the entire population. Wilson refused to commit British combat troops to Vietnam because he knew the public would not support it. Compulsory service ended in the 1950s after UK involvement in Korea, the Malay emergency and the Mau Mau uprising. There was far more popular questioning of the deployment of Nato forces to Serbia and Bosnia in the UK than in the US. Even the Falklands conflict, Thatcher's finest hour, was widely criticised on both sides of the political spectrum in terms of the sacrifice/gain ratio.
    The Express is solidly Conservative, yet wields very little influence in the UK. If the Murdoch press (The Sun, The Times) start calling for a pull out, then Brown is in trouble. The most respected of the English right-wing dailies - the Telegraphs - editorial today: "Gordon Brown must put 'boots on the ground' in Afghanistan":
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5811115/Gordon-Brown-must-put-boots-on-the-ground-in-Afghanistan.html

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  2. Hi Squad. Depends on your timeframe, I suppose. A third of the world wasn't colored pink on maps for no reason.
    But I remember the Falklands, a war over sheep - and I recall the general populace being very supportive (Do you remember the "Gotcha!" headlines?) even while we in CND and the peace movement were decrying it.
    And as to the telegraph being the most respectable rightwing press - maybe a decade ago. Not since it got all those Daily Mail hacks aboard and started having to pay lawsuit after lawsuit for making stuff up.
    Regards, Steve

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  3. Dear hack who wrote this piece,
    Your first sentence contains a large error: 15 British soldiers were killed in ten days, not two.
    "Fighting spirit" and "Blitz spirit" are entirely unrelated ideas. The Blitz was a time of civilian endurance of attacks on their homes. Fighting spirit is an aggressive thing, which is different.
    And the Express writing that "Government has been put under almost no pressure to explain what our soldiers are doing and when it expects their mission to be completed" is the height of hypocrisy. Those failing to apply that pressure included, uh, the Express.
    Still, apart from that, great piece. Keep up the great work.

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