Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Sunday, July 19, 2009

Bob Wachter on Rationing Health Care

By Hootsbuddy


Of all the arguments against health care reform, the rationing meme is the most pernicious. Arguments about politics, economics and taxes are contentious, but the possibility that a dying family member (or you) could be put out of misery as the result of rationed health care, triggers a visceral response that quickly runs rational discussions off the rails.


One of Mary McCaughey's earliest hit pieces  resulted in an email whisper campaign beating the "rationing" drum as the stimulus bill was being discussed. Distorting the idea of comparitive effectiveness research, disinformation spread like wildfire among seniors. It is a persistent theme that will not go away even though it has not been an issue anywhere else in the world.


Dr. Robert Wachter's most recent post at The Health Care Blog confronts the "R-word" head on.


Rationing is inevitable � as I recently mentioned, talking about whether we should ration is like talking about whether we should obey the laws of gravity. The only question is how we do it. And what better time than now to have this difficult national conversation, being that we�re in the middle of retooling our entire healthcare economy, the fundamental obstacle is finding the money to pay the bill, and we have a president who truly understands the dilemma and is smart and mature enough to lead the discussion.

Yet rationing remains a political Third Rail, the Lord Voldemort of the healthcare policy debate.


After a thumbnail history of how the debate has been going on for much longer than the last year or two, Wachter gets to the nub of the challenge


. ...every society that rations provides a safety valve for the wealthy disaffected. In the UK, you can buy private insurance that allows you to jump the queue for your hip replacement. Canada�s safety valve is called the Cleveland Clinic. We don�t talk about the percent of our GNP we are spending on Starbucks lattes, or on iPods, or on vacations. People pay for these things out of pocket, and receive no tax advantages when doing so. Given the American ethos of self-determination and consumerism, any rationing plan will need to allow people who can afford care that isn�t covered by standard insurance to buy it with their own money (with absolutely no tax advantage). Two-tiered medicine, sure, but I see little problem with this as long as we are using the money in the communal pool to provide a reasonable set of benefits to the entire population.


There you have it. This is not a conversation about whether or not we're gonna have rationing. Rationing is already in place because the uninsured (and many who imagined that they were "fully" insured until the policy cap was hit) have the option to receive or not receive further care, framed clearly in economic terms. That, by definition, is rationing.


As the discussion continues, let's remember that it is a discussion of how best to apportion tax dollars, not that great reserve of private resources and responsibility I keep hearing about. 



6 comments:

  1. the insurance companies already ration it to those will policies as well

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  2. You got that right. And those guys are positively salivating at the idea that they might get their hooks into everybody. That's why they fight any idea of a "public option." They know that without that alternative a large and growing population now without insurance must be insured at taxpayer expense.

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  3. I hope you guys get something re: healthcare for ordinary people though I suspect what actually gets approved and sign by Obama won't be as progressive as it may appear at first blush - sorry I think the Obama gang is really into spin more than much else and they seem really quite good at it. Ultimately I suspect there is a problem with the health services provision because you (sorry for using the royal you) conceive of it as simply another market supplied commodity which just leads down the usual dark ideological dead-ends. Obama himself always seems ambiguous referring to the provision of it as healthcare than in the next breath as the health industry - the guy is usually all over the place in his stump rhetoric so parsing his pontifications for any clear thought is a waste of time. Anyway just as a laugh here is a link to a pamphlet that was being circulated out in Saskatchewan when Tommy Douglas' (yes that Tommy, Kiefer Sutherland grand- dad) gov't brought in Canada's first single payer provincially provided healthcare system back in 1962:


    Front


    Inside


    Back


    Not much has changed, eh, in terms of arguments and concerns. Incidentally, for what it's worth, I'm quite happy with my OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance) and any changes to it would see me in the streets rioting.

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  4. Obama came into an almost no-win situation and is trying to make it work.
    Americans prior to the Thirties were accustomed to paying whatever they could work out with the doctor. Doctors, in turn, accepted what ever patients and families could afford. When Blue Cross, the first group insurance, was introduced in the early Thirties it was strictly for hospital care, and the only way the AMA tolerated it at all was that hospitals were obliged to be not-for-profit. Price controls of earlier years had physicians scared they would return. Blue Shield, an insurance plan for medical care, came along a few years later and again was opposed by the medical community. Again, they only went along when assured that there would be no controls imposed on their rates.
    Nearly seventy years have passed with nothing stopping rate increases but the upper limits of the world's most prosperous (until recently) national economy. The day has gone that patients paid directly for medical care. The two big revenue streams for medicine are premiums (insurance) and tax money (Medicare/Medicaid).
    Americans regard health care as something that someone ELSE pays for. We are like guests at a restaurant who enjoy big meals at someone else's expense and try to act magnanimous by saying "Let me get part of that tip," and even then they expect the host to say "Nah, forget it. You are MY guest."
    When and if we get a true public alternative those who need basic care will be able to access it at a truly competitive cost (note, I didn't say "rate") which will give the much-worshiped private sector some real competition for the first time in our lifetime. Then and only then can costs get under control.

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  5. It is a shame that some Americans are so gullible, to the outlandish propaganda and lies spat in the newspapers, television and radio about Obama�s health care agenda. They have demonized the British, Canadian and other worthy plans. Hidden under a disguise cover, these radical entities are determined to keep the special interest organizations in absolute power. Comprising of the money-draining profitable insurance companies and their rich stockholders. They don't want any changes to the broken system of medical care, because it will hurt the status quo. I was born in England, in the county of Sussex and until the inception of the European Union and the European Parliament dictating to Britain. That they must accept millions of foreign workers, the nations medical system was exemplary. I never had to wonder if I would have to file bankruptcy, to pay my medical bills, or listen to the incessant ring of debt collectors on the phone.
    On several occasions I ended up in the cottage hospital and their was never a cost applied to it, never a ream of paperwork. No doctor, no hospital or specialist ask me for my Social Security number, drivers license or if I was covered by a predatory for-profit insurer. Today the British Isles is being submerged under a barrage of legal and illegal immigrants, who have never paid into the system, have caused some rationing. Prior to the importation of foreign labor my trips to doctor, to hospital, the eye or a dentist was paid from my taxation. Unless we pass a national health care agenda, Americans will never know what it's like to breeze through their lives, without worrying about paying for health care? Tell your Senators and Congressman you want an alternative to the--GET RICH-- insurance companies, before a Universal health care is killed. 202-224-312 REMEMBER THE INVESTORS AND STOCKHOLDERS DON'T WANT THEIR PIECE OF THE $$$TRILLION$$$ DOLLAR PIE DISTURBED. EVEN SOME POLITICIANS HAVE THEIR DIRTY FINGERS IN THE PIE?
    AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE PRIVATE HEALTH CARE, A GOVERNMENT SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM WILL ASSIST IN REVITALIZING THE WILTING US ECONOMY.

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  6. Brittanicus, I took the liberty of deleting your duplicate comment. I notice by your Typepad commenting history you are quite the copy & paste artist. I've done a bit of that myself, but when someone like me looks at the record it tends to suggest you might be a one-trick pony. (Or in your case, two. We may not agree on immigration but we're on the same page with health care reform.)

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