Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, July 13, 2009

Screw the hicks

By Fester:


Screw the hicks!


At least that sounds like one plausible interpretation of the trial balloon of the US government actually attempting to follow through on the rule of law. That intrepretation treats Yoo's memos as established and reasonable law, and only goes after the interrogators who thought that testicle crushing was for the weak and wimpy.



If this is the case, it is Abu Ghraib all over again. There, the only people who were punished and castigated were the people who were dumb enough to follow orders on everything except the NO PICTURES part of the implied order. The 'leadership' elements were not prosecuted, the architects of transferring a torture and false confession system into an 'intelligence' system were not punished, and the political leadership which condoned and encouraged this lawlessness was re-elected. There was no accountability mechanism except for the hicks who got caught with indefensible pictures.



Thoreau at Unqualified Offerings defends the underlings with an informational asymetry defense:




An underling in the field is not a lawyer. He has a responsibility to refuse orders that he knows to be illegal, but he is not a lawyer. When something is unambiguously criminal, like beating a prisoner to death, there is no wiggle room. But I admit that some things will in fact be in gray areas. Not being a lawyer, the person in the field can only go by his training and by the information provided by legal experts when he encounters a gray area. If a person in the field encounters something that appears to be a gray area, I might excuse him if he goes by the guidance of lawyers and manuals, and follows orders that are consistent with what the training materials and legal experts tell him is legal.



But in allowing latitude for the person who goes by his training in a gray area, we have to recognize that this imposes an even greater responsibility on people who write manuals, or legal experts who write memos. If we ever contemplate leniency for an underling who does something because a legal memo advises him that it is not a crime, then we have to impose a very high standard on the people who render that advice.


Let�s sweep up and down the entire chain, and if there should be leniancy (in exchange for testimony), it should be for the men and women at the bottom of the chain of command, and not at the top.



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