Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, July 25, 2009

When Will They Ever Learn

Commentary By Ron Beasley


Hootsbuddy and I are the only Hoggers old enough to really remember the war and Vietnam and what it did to this country. The Wall Street Journal had a piece today on the West Point class of 1976.  Mostly fluff but this paragraph jumped right out at me.



West Point�s class of 1976 was the first modern generation of military officers to enter the army without serving in Vietnam. They succeed retired generals like Colin Powell and other senior commanders who all had Vietnam experience and spent decades trying to keep the military out of conflicts like Iraq, which they saw as a potential repeat of Vietnam. Gens. Odierno and McChrystal believe that the military will be involved in open-ended, low-intensity conflicts for decades to come and are devoting their careers to making sure that the Army is prepared to fight and win them.


When the Generals don't remember the Vietnam cluster fuck we are in deep shit. We just lost one American who remembered Vietnam very well, Walter Cronkite.  As Greg Mitchell  reminds us he remembered Vietnam so well Cronkite opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq.  I have watched with amazement as FOX news and other conservatives outlets have heaped praise on Walter - they hated his guts because of Vietnam, Watergate and more recently his opposition to the Iraq war.


So how many more wars will we have to suffer through until the West Point class of 2005 or 2006 or 2007 get to the top and remember Iraq and yes Afghanistan?  And as for the press - there will be no more Walter Cronkites, only millionaire talking heads who say exactly what their corporate masters want them to say.



2 comments:

  1. Ron, your headline says it all, "when will they ever learn?" I saw that piece yesterday and had basically the same reaction. I wanted to put a post about it but figured it would be like pissing in the ocean. And as you say, the same people today, especially journalists, basking in the afterglow of the late Walter Cronkite, strike me as deeply dishonest in their transparent hypocrisy. They roll over for the military and the country's ongoing obscene expenses on behalf of the military industrial complex (that even Ike warned about) while carping about "expenses" and "increased taxes" associated with universal health care.
    Hell, yes, if you open the now-rationed health care delivery system to the sixth of the population now excluded it WILL cost more. Hello! Is anyone paying attention? Does any rational person think it can be done for nothing? And those trying to advanced the idea go along with the same crazy meme and try to change the subject. I can't make sense of it all myself. Seems like both sides of the argument are competing for a "stuck on stupid" prize.
    The last forty years has seen the advent of a self-absorbed, over-indulged generation that has no idea how bad life can be for others not in their closed circles. One of our occasional new commenters, Deron S, is a young man from that generation whom I have come to know via blogging. His take on health care is essentially non-political. He is part of the delivery system in some capacity, but has a passion for exercise, diet, nutrition and encouraging everyone to make smart personal decisions about their health.
    Yesterday he put up a post aimed at the out of control obesity problem in America, asking for input. It being Saturday afternoon I had lots of time on my hands and allowed myself a stream of consciousness that took three comments to complete. Those with time on their hands this weekend can go read, but my main thesis was that the intervening decades since Vietnam correspond with a shift in social values from what I call a "thrift" mentality to one of "value." These two terms, though similar, are different in a fundamental way that has poisoned our understanding of ourselves and the world.
    At some level that change of values puzzles together in a tragic way with this "new" crop of military commanders, journalists and politicos. In the end I think it has to do with an almost juvenile quality, short on risk assessment and delayed gratification but quite long on selfishness.

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  2. How exactly does one win an open-ended conflict?

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