Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, August 11, 2009

40 years in Afghanistan was Bin Laden's goal

By Dave Anderson:

In August 2001, Al Quaeda had an interesting operational concept that tied into their long range strategic vision. Al Quaeda's goal was/is to topple the Sunni Arab regimes in the Middle East (esp. the GCC states and Saudi Arabia) and North Africa and replace them with Wahhabi-purism. Previous attempts by Islamist radicals to topple local regimes had failed on a consistent basis because the state has a strong repressive and self-protective capacity. Al Quaeda's strategists argued that local regimes were strong but could be toppled if they were not receiving super power support. However, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait and most importantly Saudi Arabia were all receiving significant US support. Launching local attacks against the local enemy would be ineffective and counter-productive as long as the local enemy was being backed by the distant enemy. The key was to sever the symbiotic relationship between the local enemy and the distant enemy.

9/11 was supposed to be the triggering event for this severance. The goal was to cause a mass-casualty attack against the United States (achieved) in order to make the US lose its cool and commit to a multi-decade long war in Afghanistan. Al-Quaeda and its senior leadership saw what the Afghan War did to the Soviet Union's ability to project long distance hard and soft power, and they expected the same thing would occur to the Americans. Vast sums of money, vast number of lives, vast reserves of goodwill would be eaten up by Afghani insurgents, most of whom would be "accidental guerrillas." At some point, the ability or willingness of the United States to protect the House of Saud would diminish to a point where victory over the local enemy was now possible.

And initially this plan failed. The US was able to mobilize local forces, match them up with close air support and Special Forces liason teams and beat the crap out of the Taliban who would have provided the cadre for the initial guerrillas. And then not a whole lot else happened besides Al Quaeda networks getting rolled up and pruned back as Al Quaeda operatives fled from their previously secure base areas. The 9-11 plan failed, or at least was on the pathway to failure by the spring of 2002.

And then we invaded Iraq because our national political discourse wanted to have someone "suck on it" and the default option is to vote for war instead of evidence. Bin Laden's operational goal of tying up American power in a non-winnable guerrilla war had been realized by November 2003. It just happened to be in Iraq instead of Afghanistan. The US dumped a trillion dollars into Iraqi operations and even after the foreign jihadis douchebagged their way out of existance by pissing off the locals, the US has lost international goodwill, credibility, meta-narrative belief, and strategic flexibility. In exchange, we have a government dominated by pensioners of the Iranian government. What a win! But we are slowly backing out of that cluster-fuck with significant but non-fatal damage or impairment.

And now we are looking to jump into a twenty to forty year war in Afghanistan.


What the fuck --- are we trying to accomplish Bin Laden's goals for him?



1 comment:

  1. Great post Dave. There were many of us who said that Bush was doing exactly what bin Laden wanted him to do. Obama seems to be following that infamous tradition.

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