Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, August 22, 2009

Afghanistan - A Country Only On A Map

Commentary By Ron Beasley


We will fail in Afghanistan because policy makers look at a map and see a country where no country exists.  That's right, there is no functional country of Afghanistan and never has been.  When I worked for the DIA in the early 70's we knew that Yugoslavia was also only a country on a map and that once the strong arm of Josip Broz Tito was no longer holding it together it would become the Balkans.  Iraq too was an artificial country held together by a series of tyrants and may yet be Balkanized.  Unlike The Balkans and Iraq Afghanistan has no history of ever being a country.  It is a collection of tribes and tribal areas.


Over at Salon Robert Dreyfuss has found an unlikely person who agrees:



I don't usually find inspiration in the pages of the Washington Times, are rarely if ever in the writings of Tony Blankley, the former spokesman for Newt Gingrich, but his recent column on the mess in Afghanistan struck me as intelligent and provocative. It's called "Empower the local tribal chiefs," and it makes sense to me. Blankley says that the United States is fast making enemies in Afghanistan of the very tribesmen who expelled the USSR, and he makes this essential point about the faulty thinking behind US strategy there:



"It would appear that a policy that calls for substantially increased troop strength for both the American and Afghan forces implies a policy that aspires to build a strong central government in Kabul capable of permanently suppressing the Taliban. But the long history of Afghanistan suggests that, unlike Iraq (or Japan and Germany after World War II), Afghanistan is not likely to accept a strong central government."


Blankley, whose right-wing credentials are impeccable, adds:



"We are not hated quite yet. But we need to leave soon, or we will be."


Rugged and isolated Afghanistan can never be like Tito's Yugoslavia or Saddam's Iraq.  You can't do nation building where not even the seed of a nation exists - not even with a strong armed tyrant.


George W. Bush did not recognize the difference  between Sunni and Shia but apparently Obama does not realize he's not dealing with a country.



3 comments:

  1. well i really don't agree that Afghanistan is not a country,but surely Afghanistan is a country with many enthnicities living, in Afghanistan what is more important is that the international game players in the region are not leting the country leaders to have a sense of responsiblity for the development of Afghanistan, the learders are a robot in Afghanistan, if Afghans follow a leader he will be assisinated in bomb blasts, and the media will say that the So called Taliban millitents did that action, but is not like that, Afghan leaders made some critical mistakes and decissions in the past and still they are making blunders(the so called political players in Afghanistan are not a real Afghan) the current president a Mafia Boss, but a President of Afghanistan, the cold wars did create Taliban, or Mujaheedin, and they were supported hugely by many countries of the world, the yesterday's friends are todays enemies, and remember todays friends are tomarrow's enemy, Billions of Dollors are donated by the international community, where so far are the achievements, i don't see it, so let the dirty politics let people of afghanistan build their country, and for sure Afghanis are capable to control their country to portary that they are the proude Afghan Nation in the central Asia, let Afghans live according to their choice, people surely relaised that no wars again no fights again, let them build their nation building process,

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  2. Mr. Ron Beasley, Afghanistan was a country on the map since centuries. Did you forget how it kicked out the British Empire? I think you're trying to pure water on the glass of some of our southern neigbours by saying that this was a country only on the map. In fact, on the map, Afghanistan is much larger nation which one day will be won again. But for now, the entire world couldn't even survive this country on the map, imagine if it becomes a functioning state, it may make an end to the superpowers!!! Truly, there is no doubt that it is not in the interest of the world to stabilize Afghanistan or else we could have peace decades ago.... more over the issue of ethnic is not a specific 'issue' or problem in afghanistan, how about comparing Scottish and Irish with British in the UK or the position of Black (or African Americans) in the USA?? don't you think this ethnic diversity is part of a natural reality of not only Afghanistan but the entire world geography?? Stop alienating Afghanistan and that'll end the troubles in the region...

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  3. Over at Salon Robert Dreyfuss has found an unlikely person who agrees:
    Should Read >>> Over at The Nation Robert Dreyfuss ...

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