Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Embedding the Anti-Nuremburg Principle

By Dave Anderson
"Just following orders" is not a legitimate defense for war crimes. Individuals are responsible for their own actions and their own moral judgements if they are following orders that are clearly illegal. They have an active obligation to not follow illegal orders. Torture orders are illegal orders no matter what thin legalistic patina John Yoo could paint on those orders by ommission and euphamism. However, "Just Giving Orders" should not be a viable or legitimate defense either. However it looks like it will become one.
Spencer Ackerman reports that AG Holder is mainly willing to investigate the front line alleged torturers for going past the Yoo guidelines for torture in polite company.



And now it appears Attorney General Holder is getting closer to appointing a special prosecutor for the CIA's torture apparatus. That prosecutor will focus, according to Greg Miller and Josh Meyer, just on the CIA, and not even on the top agency officials who helped create the apparatus, but on the frontline interrogators who went beyond the "legal" guidance about how much torture was permissible. I don't want to suggest that an operative who walks into an interrogation chamber with a gun is an innocent. But it's plainly an affront to common sense to suggest that the circumstances that led him into that room shouldn't be the subject of investigation.



Ian Welsh identifies the political calculation and the weakness behind that calculation:



The Obama administration thought they could avoid the rise of the refusnik right by refusing to act on most social issues, which is why they abandoned their promises to gays and have generally been unwilling to move on other social issues. They took the lesson of the Clinton administration to be �don�t inflame the fanatics on the right�avoid social issues, and don�t slash the military�. They were, of course, wrong: the radical right (and there is hardly a non-radical right left) will oppose Obama no matter what he does and if Obama is unwilling to use to the full might of the administrative apparatus against them, they will simply take advantage of his weakness to escalate. Tactics which are seen to work, will not be abandoned, to the contrary, they will be used more and more.


Torture investigations of any sort will create a political shit-storm. Not investigating torture and sweeping it behind us without taking long term and credible corrective action will harm the United States foreign policy even more. So just do it right, accept that the right-wing will throw a hissy fit and accuse Democrats of trying to kill Down Syndrom babies because torture protects Real America, and get it done.



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