Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, August 24, 2009

Prosecute the lot, or go on into infamy.

By Steve Hynd


By now you may have heard the news that Attorney General Eric Holder has appointed a prosecutor to look into allegations of CIA torture. Not all of the allegations, just those that involve CIA interrogators possibly going even further than the Bush administration's faked up legalese justifications "allowed" them to go.


That's not going nearly far enough.



``Responsibility for the torture program cannot be laid at the feet of a few low-level operatives. Some agents in the field may have gone further than the limits so ghoulishly laid out by the lawyers who twisted the law to create legal cover for the program, but it is the lawyers and the officials who oversaw and approved the program who must be investigated,'' said the Center for Constitutional Rights.


"The attorney general must appoint an independent special prosecutor with a full mandate to investigate those responsible for torture and war crimes, especially the high ranking officials who designed, justified and orchestrated the torture program,'' the center said in a statement.


"We call on the Obama administration not to tie a prosecutor's hands but to let the investigation go as far up the chain of command as the facts lead. We must send a clear message to the rest of the world, to future officials, and to the victims of torture that justice will be served and that the rule of law has been restored."


Even so, the current pretense of accountability was reportedly enough for CIA director Leon Panetta to begin cursing and threatening to quit.


I tell you what, Mr. Panetta - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


And to the rest, from President Obama on down - either prosecute in full, from Bush on down, for infringement of international and thus by treaty U.S. law, or you can follow Panetta into infamy as aiders and abettors, complicit after the fact, in the crimes against humanity of a torturous regime.


I, for one, will turn my back on you all if you don't uphold all of the rule of law. This matter of humanitarian principle is too important to let partisan cheerleading get in the way.


Update. This from Spencer - Panetta has written another of his CYA letters to Agency employees which contains this gem:



As Director in 2009, my primary interest�when it comes to a program that no longer exists�is to stand up for those officers who did what their country asked and who followed the legal guidance they were given.


Funny. I would have thought his primary interest should be to uphold the law - all of the law. Ditto Obama. But neither are doing so.


The presidential statement was short and not too sweet:



The President has said repeatedly that he wants to look forward, not back, and the President agrees with the Attorney General that those who acted in good faith and within the scope of legal guidance should not be prosecuted. Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General.


Somebody play Taps for "Hope and Change".



1 comment:

  1. I completely agree mr. Hynd.
    I turned my back on Obama after his first month in office when it was apparent what "road" he would take.
    The only dem I have ever voted for, and the last. I have'nt voted republican for a couple of election cycles and do not plan to into the future.
    Obama was dr. Jeckyl, but since stepping into the oval office he is mr Hyde. He is a fraud.

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