Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, August 25, 2009

The CIA's torture documents

by Jay McDonough



Fubush__oPt Heretofore secret CIA documents on the organizations use of "enhanced interrogation" methods were finally released yesterday.  Included in the documents were the two memos ex-Vice President Dick Cheney had argued would prove definitively that the Bush Administrations authorization to use torture had been effective and, ultimately, saved American lives.



Late last week Newsweek had published some of the details of the content - the use of mock executions with guns and power drills had been employed by the CIA operatives.  The documents official release yesterday yielded additional detail; beatings with rifle butts, strangulation, threats to rape the suspects mother and kill the suspects children.



These specific methods were even outside the illegal interrogation techniques authorized by White House attorneys.  The reports note that the CIA Inspector General had repeatedly brought the extraordinary abuse to the attention to then Attorney General John Ashcroft and his Justice Department, but they refused to initiate any investigations or criminal charges against rogue interrogators.



With respect to Mr. Cheney's assertion that torture produced results (and was, therefore, justified), the documents fall short of providing the "proof" the ex-vice president had promised.  The documents note the use of both historically legal and Bush Administration sanctioned illegal interrogation methods, and assert valuable intelligence was derived.  In other words, the documents fail to make a clear case that the intelligence was gotten via torture and not historically legal interrogation methods.



From Spencer Ackerman:

Again, perhaps the blacked-out lines of the memos specifically claim and document that torture and only torture yielded this information. But what�s released within them does not remotely make that case. Cheney�s public account of these documents have conflated the difference between information acquired from detainees, which the documents present, and information acquired from detainees through the enhanced interrogation program, which they don�t.





And though the previous administration, from President Bush and Vice President Cheney to Attorney Generals Ashcroft and Mukasey, assured Americans the interrogations done in our name was perfectly legal, the just issued reports make it very clear the CIA operatives knew very well what they were being asked to do was illegal.



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The CIA's uneasiness was well founded.  No doubt after watching the Bush Administration successfully label Abu Ghraib guards as rogues and "bad apples" for following protocols provided by their Justice Department memos, CIA operatives were nervous that they too would be thrown to the wolves as soon as the extent of the torture became known. 

Given Attorney General Holder's decision yesterday to appoint a federal prosecutor to investigate whether criminal charges against these CIA operatives are warranted, it would seem their fears about becoming scapegoats for the Bush Administration was well founded.



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