Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, September 1, 2009

COIN, Salience and 2nd "Bests"

By Dave Anderson:

The "easiest" form of counter-insurgency is to drain the ocean in which the insurgent fish swim. This has the side-effect of killing all the coral, seaweeds, mussels, small fish and intermediate predators in the quest to either kill off through force or starve out the sharks that are the insurgents, but it is "effective" if one does not care about the long term impacts on the biome.

It 'worked' for Stalin in the Caucuses for at least three or four generations, it 'worked' for the Stalin in Ukraine against the Cossacks and other anti-Soviet groups. It 'works' if the occupying/counter-insurgent power does not care about the population at all, and wants the land for either its strategic rents, economic rents such as oil production capacity that requires a minimal and easily imported work-force or to establish a very credible precedent of deterrance.


 Matt Yglesias makes this point that for high enough priority needs brute force and genocide "work" as a solution set in the context of Star Wars and COIN as Abu M et al are engaged in some fantastic fan-boy and COIN in-crowd wankery about COIN in the Star Wars universe:



Once it�s clear that the Empire can destroy planets wholesale, the rebels are in agreement with Tarkin and the Emperor that sufficient firepower, deployed without conscience, can, in fact, win the war. Thus, the rebels only hope for staving off defeat is a bold attack on the Death Star itself. As Exum�s correspondent notes, �they got lucky� in terms of destroying the Death Star so it made perfect sense for the Emperor to simply respond by trying to build a new one. Here, again, both sides agree that a fully operational Death Star can end the war, so again the rebels need to mount a somewhat desperate attack. And they win!

But the lesson here isn�t that the rebels are being irrationally conventional; the lesson is that there are limits to the logic of counterinsurgency doctrine. Overwhelming force and brutality really can be applied to good effect if you�re really willing to unleash it in an evil way.


Destroying the cities, killing the men, and enslaving the women while salting the earth around the ruins is the �classic� counter-insurgency solution when the problem possesses high enough salience. Population-centric COIN is a "second best� approach to low salience conflicts.



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