Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, September 25, 2009

Iran's New Nuke Facility

By BJ Bjornson


I notice in the news this morning that there is a big hullaballoo brewing over a new �secret� Iranian facility for enriching uranium,



The leaders of the United States, France and Britain have disclosed intelligence information to the UN nuclear watchdog that confirms a second uranium-enrichment site in Iran and are demanding an in-depth investigation.


Of course, reading further into the story I see this:




Iran informed IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei by letter on Monday that "a new pilot fuel-enrichment plant is under construction," agency spokesman Marc Vidricaire said.


So the big secret facility is one the Iranians have already informed the IAEA about? I suppose that makes the confirmation part a lot easier. I am quite confident that the already declared facility does in fact exist. Of course, there is a distinct possibility that the Iranians only got around to declaring the facility because they knew this revelation was coming.


Another point of relevance:



The IAEA has requested that Iran provided specific information regarding the newly revealed facility, which the country says will be used to produce electricity, Vidricaire said.


"The agency also understands from Iran that no nuclear material has been introduced into the facility," he said.


The lack of nuclear material being introduced is key in the legality of said facility. Under the NPT, a country does not have to inform the IAEA of any facilities until they are ready to introduce nuclear material into them, meaning the Iranians are technically still within their rights to have not disclosed the location sooner.


Now, under the Additional Protocol that we�d all like to see the Iranians ratify, they would have had to disclose said facility in the planning stages, but again, at the moment they are not under any legal requirements to do so. Part of the holdup in the ratification of the Additional Protocol is the fact that when the Iranians did operate voluntarily under the Protocol for over two years, the Bush administration reacted to this show of good faith by the Iranians much the same way the Republicans are reacting to the Obama administration�s efforts to compromise on the stimulus package, cap and trade legislation, and the Health Care bills, continued all-out opposition. Carrot-and-stick diplomacy doesn�t work if all you ever use is the stick, and as of yet, I�ve seen little to indicate Obama is actually much better in regards to Iran, though at least he isn�t as outwardly belligerent.


All the above said, Iran�s moves here are hardly confidence inspiring. While Steve has repeatedly noted the intelligence consensus that Iran doesn�t have an active nuclear weapons program, the paranoia inspired by Western hawks in regards to the country means Iran might want to consider being a little less secretive in their operations. While this new information isn�t anything I�m going to lose sleep over, it certainly isn�t going to help Iran�s case in the court of world opinion.


I also betting this was timed to the scheduled six-party talks Steve reported on due for next week. Mark Lynch has a good post up on the strategy behind the revelation with that in mind.



. . . it seems rather more likely that the administration chose to go public as part of a calculated effort to ratchet up the credibility of the threat of tough sanctions ahead of the October 1 meeting between Iran and the P5+1 in Geneva. The public disclosure puts Iran on the back foot ahead of those talks, and appears to have encouraged Russia to more seriously consider supporting such sanctions (that, plus the missile defense decision probably). This has to change Iranian calculations -- indeed, the perception that the sanctions are now more likely is precisely what may lead the Iranians to make more concessions to avoid them.


It also demonstrates to the Iranians the quality of Western intelligence and the difficulty of deception and denial -- especially in the atmosphere of (quite warranted) mistrust of their intentions. That may reduce their reasons to oppose the intrusive inspections and monitoring regime which Gary Sick argues is the most likely reasonable negotiated outcome. Such an outcome would be far more in the interests of the U.S., Iran, and Iran's neighbors than any plausible outcome of a military strike, and has to be the target of the engagement process.



An interesting possibility, though I�m certain we�ll have to sit through all sorts of screaming and shouts of �appeasement� from the usual quarters regardless what the outcome is.



6 comments:

  1. Hi BJ,
    Here's the most important bit of the AP report:
    "the U.S. has known of the facility's existence "for several years" through intelligence developed by U.S., French and British agencies, a senior White House official said."
    But the 2007 NIE and subsequent intel assessments still said Iran isn't actively seeking a nuke.
    Obama is playing to the peanut gallery on this.
    Regards, Steve

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  2. "Now, under the Additional Protocol that we�d all like to see the Iranians ratify.."
    Can you clarify? They signed this in 2003. Not to mention the fact that upon signing the AP they promised to comply with the UN and halt uranium enrichment -- still haven't.
    I agree this story is getting exaggerated ink, but by my view there was enough evidence beforehand to clamp down on the regime. This is just an attempt to publicly pressure China.
    My take on it is here: http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2009/09/casus_belli_it_aint_iran_second_nuclear_facility.html.
    Cheers,
    Kevin

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  3. Hi Kevin,
    Iran did sign the AP in 2003 as I recall, but it was subject to ratification by their parliament, same as treaties in the US have to be ratified by Congress before they are effectively considered the law of the land. They still voluntarily complied with its provisions for a couple of years while awaiting some payback on their efforts, and when that didn�t materialize, the ratification was scrapped as was the compliance with the AP, though so far not the NPT.
    Also, their suspension of enrichment at around the same time was stated as temporary, as they�ve always stated they have the right to such enrichment, again as part of the attempt to see whether or not they would get anything for their efforts, and they only restarted the enrichment when the Bush administration pushed to have the matter taken to the Security Council despite the freeze. The whole episode made it appear as though the US was unreasonable and negotiating in bad faith, which given the Bush administration's other actions wouldn�t be a big surprise.

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  4. My question is, what effect (if any) doe this disclosure have on the credibility of the Laptop of Doom? Maybe there's no way to answer that question.
    I would also say that it seems reasonable that Iran sent Monday's rather vague letter because of advance knowledge the western leaders would out them this week.

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  5. Hardly does it matter that Iran has acted entirely legally during this episode, ex post facto their 2003 offer letter that Cheney buried. Internal strife, manufactured external strife, Russia; it's all quite amazing to watch.

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  6. And by the way, when looking at memeorandum on this subject, I came straight here, because I knew if I wanted to really know what the hell was going on, this was the place to go. And, lo, I was not disappointed; a place where the comments are as important to the post as the post itself.
    The rest of those tools are jabbering in the wind.

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