Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Rules Of Engagement

Commentary By Ron Beasley



Yesterday four US Marines were killed in an ambush in Afghanistan.  Today we have this from an inbed:



'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush

GANJGAL, Afghanistan � We walked into a trap, a killing zone of
relentless gunfire and rocket barrages from Afghan insurgents hidden in
the mountainsides and in a fortress-like village where women and
children were replenishing their ammunition.


"We will do to you what we did to the Russians," the insurgent's leader
boasted over the radio, referring to the failure of Soviet troops to
capture Ganjgal during the 1979-89 Soviet occupation.

Dashing
from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone
walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than
an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that
air cover would be five minutes away.

U.S.
commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected
repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the
slopes and tree lines � despite being told repeatedly that they weren't
near the village.

"We are pinned down. We are running low on
ammo. We have no air. We've lost today," Marine Maj. Kevin Williams,
37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding
to the latter's repeated demands for helicopters.

Four U.S.
Marines were killed Tuesday, the most U.S. service members assigned as
trainers to the Afghan National Army to be lost in a single incident
since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. Eight Afghan troops and police and
the Marine commander's Afghan interpreter also died in the ambush and
the subsequent battle that raged from dawn until 2 p.m. around this
remote hamlet in eastern Kunar province, close to the Pakistan border.

The lesson the war supporters have learned from all of this is that the Rules Of Engagement suck.  This from Landay's report contains  the real lesson:

Several U.S. officers said they suspected that the insurgents had
been tipped off by sympathizers in the local Afghan security forces or
by the village elders, who announced over the weekend that they were
accepting the authority of the local government.

"Whatever we do
always leaks," said Marine Lt. Ademola Fabayo, 28, a New Yorker who was
born in Nigeria and is the operations officer for the trainers from the
3rd Marine Division. "You can't trust even some of their soldiers or
officers."

Sniper rounds snapped off rocks and sizzled overhead.
Explosions of recoilless rifle rounds echoed through the valley, while
bullets inched closer to the rock wall behind which I crouched with a
handful U.S. and Afghan officers.

Lt. Fabayo and several other
soldiers later said they'd seen women and children in the village
shuttling ammunition to fighters positioned in windows and roofs.
Across the valley and from their ridgeline outposts, the Afghans and
Americans fired back.

For the few who still remember Vietnam this should sound very familiar.  Once you got out of the major cities in Vietnam the war wasn't about communism VS western capitalism it was about occupation by foreign troops.  They supported the Viet Cong because they saw them as freedom fighters. 

The lesson should be that we are in another quagmire - fighting another war that can't be won without killing most of the population.



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