Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, September 15, 2009

You and him fight

By Dave Anderson:


My fellow 'Hoggers and I have been pounding on the idea that Pakistan's military and political elites are primarily focused on their India security issues, and that almost all issues are warped by the massive gravitational lensing of being an inferior power with a weaker economy and major population centers within two or three days of armored forces that could easily mass on the disputed border region.  These basic facts will warp and anchor perceptions.  For this reason, Pakistan has long sought strategic depth in Afghanistan by supporting its clients and allies there. 


Pakistan's primary focus is India.  So why would it be unusual for India to have some of its focus on Pakistan with the intent of denying Pakistan strategic depth?


Pakistan supported the Taliban during the civil war in the 1990s and supported the Taliban after the civil war was mostly over.  India on the other hand was one of the major suppliers for the Northern Alliance during the 90s.  The Northern Alliance and associated warlords were one of the prime benefeciaries of the United States toppling the Talbian in 2001.  Therefore India was also a benefeciary as Pakistan lost an ally and strategic depth. 


Using this lens, I have a hard time seeing the strength of the argument that James Joyner is making as he notes that India is more than happy with the United States propping up one of their allies and weakening one of India's major regional competitors:



India's new ambassador to the United States, Meera Shankar, told the Atlantic Council that her government believes it is "imperative that the United States stay the course" in Afghanistan even while conceding that "stability will require a sustained engagement..."


it is not regional opposition that threatens to prematurely end the ISAF mission in Afghanistan but rather faltering commitment in the United States, Europe, and other Coalition countries....


and the realization that the "sustained engagement" Shankar spoke of likely means decades, not years, is making it extraordinarily difficult to sustain public support for expending more blood and treasure in a war that has already gone on far longer than most expected when launching it in retaliation for the attacks of September 11, 2001.


Is it in our interests to do India's dirty work?  Where is the division or two of Indian infantry in Kabul?  Or is this just a way for India to deny Pakistan a major long term objective at minimal cost to themselves while further wedging the long standing Pakistani-American security ties? 


 



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