Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tuesday, October 6, 2009

They Used To Love The Drones

By Steve Hynd


I've been meaning for a while to write a post about the neocon-led meme that reducing the massive U.S. footprint in Afghanistan, or turning away from COIN operations there, would massively reduce the ability of U.S. forces to carry out counter-terrorism operations in the region. I just never quite found the time - but luckily, Michael Cohen has.


Michael cites stories about the effectiveness of CT strikes in reducing Al Qaeda's effectiveness from the WSJ and NY Times and writes:



I'm surprised that the increased effectiveness of the drone war in Pakistan hasn't received more attention; because it does appear that since the ratcheting up of that war last year it has demonstrated extraordinary effectiveness and wreaked havoc with al Qaeda's already existing safe haven in Pakistan. Now I realize that what works in Pakistan may not work as effectively in Afghanistan; and that intelligence sharing may not be as robust . . .  but the increased effectiveness of the drone war must be considered as the possibility of a CT approach is weighed.


In addition, if the WSJ is to be believed the effectiveness of the US war against al Qaeda has been bolstered by improved HUMINT:


At the same time, U.S. intelligence collection in Pakistan has vastly improved, officials say. Western intelligence services have had more success penetrating al Qaeda groups lately, according to Richard Barrett, the United Nations' coordinator for monitoring al Qaeda and the Taliban. "There's many more human sources being run into the groups," Mr. Barrett, a former official with Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, told an audience at a Washington think tank last week.

Critics of the off-shoring approach like to argue that this strategy didn't work before 9/11, but back then the US was relying largely on cruise missile fired from the Indian Ocean. Pilotless drones have increased the effectiveness of these attacks and the very presence of a military base on Afghanistan's territory - one that would likely continue no matter what decision President Obama makes on future policy - suggests that the a comparison to pre-9/11 counterterrorism strategy just isn't even that relevant. And over the past 8 years in Afghanistan it sure does seem as though attacks from the air - first in supporting the Northern Alliance and later in harassing al Qaeda - have been a heck of a lot more effective than a sustained and prolonged military occupation.


Off-shore attacks are not by any means panacea and without a sustained US presence on the ground it might blunt their effectiveness - although even that conclusion is a bit unclear - but it sure seems a lot more efficient than a counter-insurgency campaign that has a dubious chance at success.


In his comments, I've cited another recent article from Foreign Policy which bolsters Michael's argument. When we look at where the AQ and Taliban safe havens are in Pakistan, we find that U.S. intelligence collection has improved where no-one has ever done any COIN - Waziristan and Baluchistan. In fact, Pakistan says that "Waziristan is like a black hole for intelligence" in respect of its own collection abilities. Yet still the US continues to launch effective strikes: "the erosion of the Pakistani military's intelligence capacity has also meant an increasing reliance on the CIA-guided drone attacks"


Which confirms what I've suspected for some weeks now: the neoliberal COINdinistas and especially the neocons who used to love drones made up the meme of strike intelligence collection suffering without a COIN presence out of whole cloth when they realised that the choice might become drones or their beloved troop escalation.


Update: Spencer Ackerman - "if the argument really is that counterinsurgency is a prerequisite for intelligence gathering, the Pakistani case needs to be further explored, because it really does look like a counterexample."



3 comments:

  1. Not even a brief mention that we kill, on average, something like 10 innocent people per bad man in a drone strike? Nothing?
    For someone who couches much of his argument in terms of human rights that is a surprising omission.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Hi Joshua,
    You make a good point and I can only reply that if I tried to cover every angle every time I'd end up writing books, not blog posts. Civilian casualties and the ill-will they cause are an undoubted problem with drone strikes. But they're also a problem with any form of COIN the force-protection imperatives of the US military will allow to happen in reality, no matter what they rhetoric about "population-centric" COIN might be. There's no doubt in my mind any longer that 100,000 soldiers, be they ever so committed "on paper" to preventing civilian casualties, will actually cause more civilian deaths in toto than even an aggressive drone strike program.
    Regards, Steve

    ReplyDelete
  3. Reading your post Steve, I had the same reaction as Joshua. I think there was a study that showed that 95% or thereabouts of the casualties from drones were civilian. I agree that an increase in the military presence will also increase the number of civilian casualties. However, the universe of solutions is not limited to these two options. You really do not have to argue for one or the other of these options. A less militarized foreign policy will go a long away in reducing the number of innocents we slaughter whether the old fashioned way or through more advanced technology.

    ReplyDelete