Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Sunday, November 8, 2009

UK Independent's front page Remembrance Day call for Afghanistan withdrawal

By Steve Hynd


It was inevitable that Remembrance Sunday would mean a lot of British soul-searching over continued military involvement in Afghanistan. That introspection was evident in national newspapers today, including in the London Times, where foreign correspondent Christina Lamb had a long and thoughtful article about the ongoing occupation which weighed the pros and cons of various possible courses. Among her revalations, that the policeman known only as Gulbuddin who shot and killed five British soldiers last week was a victim of sexual abuse by his commander.



According to two Afghans who knew him, Gulbuddin had complained of being brutally beaten, sodomised and sexually abused by a senior Afghan officer. A policeman named Ajmal, a friend of the gunman, said Gulbuddin had been constantly tortured. �He was being used for sexual purposes,� said Ajmal.


Another policeman, Kharullah, who was injured in the shooting, said: �Gulbuddin was beaten many times and that�s why he got angry. One day when he was patrolling with British soldiers, he swore he was going to kill him.�


When Gulbuddin opened fire with a machinegun, his target was his alleged abuser. According to the Afghan sources, the five British soldiers were killed simply because they were present and considered to be the man�s protectors.


That directly contradicts P.M. Gordon Brown's claim that Gulbuddin was a Taliban infiltrator, and the Taliban's subsequent propaganda coup in accepting him as a hero - but it doesn't leave British plans in any better place. If such abuse can go on, and have this effect, then what chance of "they'll stand up as we stand down"?


That's just one of the many areas of uncertainty about Western hopes and plans for Afghanistan that Lamb addresses. But her piece is just a taster for the Independent newspapers editorial calling for withdrawal: front-paged in the print edition on this day, of all days.



...we asked: "What is this war for?" Although we never received a satisfactory answer, we welcomed the fall of the Taliban and reluctantly accepted Mr Blair's argument, made with his trademark persuasiveness, that the best protection against their return was to help rebuild the country. Thus the mission crept from bringing mass murderers to book to fostering democracy, female emancipation and winning the battle against drugs. Those are worthy aims, but eight years on we have made limited progress. In the meantime, British forces, which had borne few casualties until then, were deployed in 2006 to Helmand province.


It is not so much the casualty rate, however, but the lack of progress that should demand a re-examination of our policy. Gordon Brown's speech last week did not deliver the review needed. It contained the glaring contradiction between the claim that our troops are needed in Afghanistan "to keep the British people safe" and the warning that, if Mr Karzai's government fails to clean up its act, it will have "forfeited its right to international support". If you believe that our mission in Afghanistan makes British streets safer, then its continuation should not depend on Mr Karzai. If, on the other hand, you believe, as Kim Howells, the former Foreign Office minister, said last week, that any remote or long-term effect on British streets is outweighed by the propaganda gain to jihadist ideology of our "occupying" a Muslim country, then Mr Karzai's shortcomings give us another reason to get out.


There are, of course, still good reasons to stay, although they are secondary. The Afghan people do not want foreign troops to leave until security is better. But the longer we are there the more our forces provide target practice for jihadists and grievances for nationalists to turn to jihadism, as Patrick Cockburn argues so forcefully today.


A second reason for staying is that our withdrawal could undermine Barack Obama, whose leadership is needed in the world. But we have left Iraq while the US stayed. In any case, as we report today, the US is keen to move British forces away from being a political target.


Ultimately, we should make a British decision in the British interest. And that decision should be to wind down combat operations over a period � say, by Remembrance Sunday next year � and to restrict the mission to training the Afghan army and police force. Special forces operations should continue, especially on the Pakistan border, to disrupt any attempt by al-Qa'ida to return. But beyond that it is time to act on the observation of David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, that there can be no military solution in Afghanistan.


It is time, on this solemn day on which we remember the sacrifice of those who gave their lives for our freedom and security, for a change in policy. It is time to say that this war is ill conceived, unwinnable and counterproductive. It is time to start planning a phased withdrawal of British troops.


The British public are in broad agreement. A new poll by ComRes for the BBC shows just how strongly:




I feel I have a good understanding of the purpose of Britain's mission in Afghanistan
Agree 54%, disagree 42%, don't know 4%

 

All British forces should be withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as possible
Agree 63%, disagree 31%, don't know 6%

 

The war in Afghanistan is unwinnable
Agree 64%, disagree 27%, don't know 10%

 

The levels of corruption involved in the recent Presidential election show the war in Afghanistan is not worth fighting for
Agree 52%, disagree 36%, don't know 12%

The percentage of people polled calling for withdrawal- a massive 63 percent - is up from 34% two weeks ago, and 25% two weeks before that. With a general election looming, victory is likely to go to the party that most meets British voters' wishes for the nation's soldiers to leave Afghanistan.



2 comments:

  1. Steve as, I think, we saw at the time of the insane Bush attack on Iraq politicians really don't give a shit what their citizens think, say or do. Mostly they are spineless cowards in the game of public service (sic) for money. I'm sorry Brown is in this category I'd expected foolishly more from him. They are like a club of fools and we the idiots that but up with them. As we approach the great out pouring of political bullshit - if I hear the crap word hero used one more time this week by an elected person I'll, squeeze a grape. Such a good citizen, eh - over Remembrance Day I'm barely able to contain myself.
    As Remembrance Day stems from WWI I wonder: Did Brown have any kith & kin damaged by WWI? Did it have an effect on him? Is he only interested, as Blair was/is, in money, stature, position. Christ my family is still reeling from the '14-'18 little political dust-up, so much so that there were hardly any of us to kill in WWII and it is only now we are getting back to having a reasonable male - sorry my lovely sisters - foot print to be eligible to be killed in more of these politicians' petty games. Screw Obama let him find his own way around his country's nightmares. Get NATO out of Afghanistan now.
    Sorry for the rant November the 11th sets me off a bit. My 'pa lost his eyes on the 18th of October 1918, all the males in my nana's family were killed on the 16th of July 1916, my Irish uncles who lived, but were gassed, came home and help spread TB through the family in the 20's. Such a lovely time and I suspect my family didn't see the worst of it. I go to no Cenotaphs on the 11th, after my nana died, and have made sure after my time in the military that none of mine would ever be in it. Fuck them, and the real cowards, our elected public servants.

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  2. Hi geoff,
    As far as I can find, Brown's grandparents were well-off, middle class and in the construction and timber trades. Neither seem to have abandoned their businesses in Fife and Glasgow to go to war. His father, of course, was a minister and so missed the second World War.
    Regards, Steve

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