Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, December 7, 2009

Legitimacy and local recruitment

By Dave Anderson:

The key to the Obama strategy is for the Afghan national security forces to stand up so that the US and ISAF can stand down. Let's embark upon an interesting little counterfactual from the last time there was significant civil strife in the United States to see where there might be at least one problem with this strategy.

It is 1965 and the white South is actively opposing civil rights and integration efforts. Federal troops have been called in numerous times to enforce court orders. President Johnson has decided that several counties in Mississippi are effectively in states of rebellion and the Mississippi National Guard's loyalty is questionable if called upon to enforce orders that most of its officers and NCOs personally oppose. President Kennedy decides to federalize National Guard units from other states to enforce desegration orders in the South. (yes, I know I am messing up history here, and I am questionable on the law, but this is a counter-factual).

The following week, a National Guard infantry battalion from Boston is in Jackson. It is 98% Irish Catholic. The week after that, a battalion from Brooklyn which is half Italian and half Jewish is in Tupelo. The week after that, a battalion from Pittsburgh is in Gulfport.

Should there be any problems? After all, these battalions are American troops on American soil and the soldiers all speak the same language and share an emerging mass culture.

Those security units would face the same problem. None of them would have local legitimacy nor knowledge of the relevant social mileau. Even though their uniforms are the same as the Mississippi National Guard with the same flag patch on the shoulder, they would be considered "foreigners" or at least "Damn Yankee carpetbaggers..." and the security problem would not be greatly improved as the local elites would have no vested interest in working with the outsiders who are trying to impose their own agenda....


The Afghan National Army is a volunteer force. It is one participant in a civil war. It is on the side that is primarily made up of Tajiks, Hazera, Uzbeks and some Pashtuns. The primary other participants is a broad array of Pashtun groups. The ANA is backed by foreigners and its goal is to reduce Pashtun primacy and impose a moderately strong central government.

Expanding the ANA by expanding Tajik and Uzbek recruitment would be very similiar to sending the Massachusetts and New York National Guard to Mississippi during the 60s. It would expand the numbers and may do some good in the short term, but the local legitimacy of collaborators and allies would be diminished. The question for the ANA is how to recruit Pashtuns and split the insurgencies from the "local" and "accidental guerrillas" who are fighting for issues that are salient only within a limited geographic and political scope and those fighting for much larger causes and scopes.

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