Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Minding our P's and Q's (reprise)

By Dave Anderson:

Carbon taxes and cap and trade are both attempts to create price incentives to reduce carbon emissions.  The goal is to raise the dispersed and mostly externalized cost of pollution into a concentrated and internalized cost for the polluter.  From here, most polluters will seek to reduce emissions because emissions are now expensive and non-value adding to their bottom line.  The question is mechanism and certainty. 

I'm reprising and re-arranging a post of mine from last April when there was a round of carbon tax advocacy that neglects the sausage factory of the US Congress:

the first order public policy problem with carbon dioxide is not a
revenue problem but a quantity of emissions is producing undesirable
negative externalities problem...

Cap and Trade attempts to impose a hard Q of how many tons of carbon
dioxide can be dumped into the atmospheric sink in a given year. Prices
are at most a tertiary concern for a cap and trade system. Carbon taxes
attempt to set a fixed price for carbon emissions. Quantity of
emissions is irrelevant on the first order. The price will be fixed at
a decent technocratic guesstimate of where the desired Q is in a
technocratic world, or it will be fixed at the nexus of
industrial/political capture points...

market mechanism [cap and trade] that has a demonstrated near peer already in operation in the United States in the form of the sulfur dioxide emission permitting system.
The SO2 market reduced emissions at a faster rate than anticipated and
at a much lower cost. The regulation and monitoring functions are
fairly inexpensive for the government. The counterpoint is the claim
that the European Union CO2 cap and trade market is inefficient but
once you look at market design (that matters a lot) you see significant
differences...

conservatives, you won the ideological argument twenty years ago.
Liberals are using market based solutions to achieve policy goals with
minimal interference in the economy. Direct taxation as a means to get
to a related goal via a quasi-command and control system of rate
changes is not the preferred liberal method any more.

Greg Mankiw is pushing for a carbon tax on the assumption of non-sausage making in the House or the Senate as he is pushing a piece of testimony by Ted Gayer that argues a perfect carbon tax where fixed prices are known are better than any bastardized cap and trade system that could actually emerge.  And he is probably right that a perfectly designed system without political interference would be more efficient and effective that whatever deal emerges from the Senate.  However if the carbon tax proposal was the proposal being debated upon in the Senate, it would not emerge perfectly designed as the Agricultural Committee and the Coal Caucus Democrats would get their pound of flesh to get to 60. 

The biggest problem with CO2 is not a revenue problem. The primary problem are the negative externalities which we are generating and will continue to generate for a generation even if emissions went to 1850s levels tomorrow.  The perfect is the enemy of the satisficing sausage that the Senate may or may not produce. 



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