Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, April 3, 2010

Presidential Polarization (Reprised)

By Dave Anderson:

While looking through the archives for a post I vaguely remember writing, I saw this post from June 2007 that seems to have stood the test of time very well:

2009 Polarization and a Freeper Hostage Crisis:

Political analyst Larry
Sabato
has some interesting words to say about the probable impacts
of Hillary Clinton winning the White House in 2008. [h/t Andrew
Sullivan
]

Let's suppose Mrs. Clinton wins
in November 2008. Democrats would have to live with the consequences.
There is simply no question that Senator Clinton would be the third
deeply polarizing President in a row, following her husband's divisive
and partially wasted tenure and George W. Bush's deeply disappointing
turn at bat. We bet that she would have a short honeymoon and would be
unable to convince her millions of critics and detractors that she had
changed - or was different than they long ago concluded she was. At a
time when the nation could use a unifier and a healer - to the extent
that any President can perform those roles - partisan warfare would be
at fever pitch from Day One.
I disagree with a good deal of
his argument but it is an interesting leaping point.

I am not a
fan or supporter of Hillary Clinton. I do not think that she will make a
great president. I don't trust her governing
instincts or judgment
. At best I think she'll be a competent
placeholder. But again I have to defend the notion that Hillary Clinton
will be uniquely polarizing figure once the general election season
come along....

The Freeper right is a constant of American politics, at least in the
short and intermediate term. The only way to appease the Freeper Right
is to elect their favored candidates and implement 100% of their agenda
and conducting mass conversions of the remaining population to their
viewpoint. At the same time a small caste of unabashed liberal
caricatures are needed to be the object of their daily two minute hate.
Even reactionary authoritarians like Sen.
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
can be the target of this vitriol if there is
a break from the script on immigration.

They try to leverage
their ability to create embarrassment to the 'responsible adults' of the
discourse by throwing a crazed tantrum anytime that they do not get
what they want; the facts, reality or the Constitution be damned. It has
worked because the set of Republican politicians who are not Freepers per se have benefited from this
arrangement more than it has cost. I am assuming that the same pattern
of behavior will be in effect for any Democratic Presidential nominee no
matter who that person is. The difference will be in the internal
details of the attacks, not the meta-structure of the attacks....



4 comments:

  1. I was thinking this morning of an important difference between the US and other countries, the power of an unholy alliance of special interests and elected officials in Washington. I read somewhere that Canadian Medicare is less than twenty pages long. What a contrast between that and the two and a half thousand pages that Washington just produced.
    The president's pre-commitments with special interests might have been covered in less than twenty or thirty pages, but thanks to a hundred Senators and 435 more in the House, we got a true American hybrid, an obese, inbred, congenitally malformed newborn which almost failed to survive delivery and will only stay alive with endless accommodations to special needs.

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  2. I was thinking this morning of an important difference between the US and other countries, the power of an unholy alliance of special interests and elected officials in Washington.
    No offense John, but you're not that special. Every country has its special interest groups and lobbyists. It is no accident that every Canadian government ignores any environmental impacts of the tar sands, for instance. And any and all federal programs always seem to have a cut-out for Quebec interests, to name just a couple of notable examples.
    The Canada Health Act is only a dozen or so pages long, but that's mainly due to the fact that it has almost nothing to do with health care. It is solely about transferring money to the Provinces to use for their own health care plans, since health care is a provincial power. It specifies a few basic criteria about accessibility and administration, but is pretty much silent on what services have to be provided. I'm sure a look at the provincial health services acts would provide some rather stiff reading, and again, that would only be a part of what your Congress just passed. Your health care bill had to explain the services, add to other programs, explain how it would be funded, who it would cover, how the subsidies would work, what other programs it would modify, and add in the tax-related penalties and so forth. The tax stuff alone would guarantee a monstrosity of a bill.

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  3. You're right. I was off on a cloud this morning and not thinking clearly.
    Some time ago I came to the conclusion that corporate/financial interests were sailing past geopolitical structures so fast they would never catch up. The term "global economy" is no longer an oxymoron. And those who tremble at the specter of a "New World Order" are still blissfully ignorant that it is already here and has been here for several years. The implosion of the former Soviet Union and China's realization that Hong Kong lays laying golden eggs historic moments. The captains of industry, as they once were called, always understood that the politics, culture and customs of another country were never as important as their value as a source of raw materials or a market for whatever we have to sell. Monarchies, dictatorships, republics, puppets of any stripe... it matters not as long as there is a potential for money to be made. And anyone who imagines the purest of systems cannot be corrupted by money hasn't seen The Magic Christian.

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  4. If you haven't seen the film and don't have time for the whole movie, skip to You Tube clip #6 and advance the slider to about 3 minutes. The parking ticket scene illustrates the theme of the film which is that everyone has his price.

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