Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, June 25, 2010

2016 is the earliest withdrawal date plausible

By Dave Anderson:



One of my cheap little analytical tricks to predict what the US would do in Iraq was to look at what the British were doing and then add a few years.  The British withdrew from Iraq in 2009.  The US is looking to get combat units out by the end of this summer, and down to a token force under a new SOFA by the start of 2012.  The Brits admitted they were strategically immobile and had no swing capacity without massive force reset problems in 2004.  The US went the massive force reset problems in 2007 as units and individuals were going back for twelve, fifteen and eighteen month tours after less than a year out of combat.  The Brits were cutting force structure in their navy and air force to pay for ongoing operations.  The US is cutting force structure in the navy and air force to pay for ongoing operations now.



The British are smaller and poorer than the US, but they maintain a military that is at least a funhouse mirror version of the US military; professional, high-tech, and expeditionary, so it is a reasonable analogue and comparison.  Britain also has a political culture that is embedded within the North Atlantic paradigm and it is home to the Anglo-Saxon business model.  British political leadership faces some of the same constraints and incentives as the US political leadership, but feel them slightly more acutely.



This leads to my prediction that the US will not withdraw from Afghanistan until at least 2016.  The Guardian reports that Prime Minister Cameron wants British forces out by 2015, hopefully before the next general election:





David Cameron today gave the first clear indication of the timing for a full withdrawal of British soldiers from Afghanistan, saying that he wanted troops home within five years.


Asked in Canada at the Toronto G8 summit if he wanted UK forces home before the 2015 general election, he said: "I want that to happen, make no mistake about it. We can't be there for another five years, having been there for nine years already."


So I expect the US to stick around for another year or two after the Brits leave because we can, and the greatest sin in American politics is admitting to reality that there are constraints and limits on American power. We need a decent interval to assuage our consciences that we truly are #1 and unconstrained by structural forces.

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