Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010

And It's One-Two-Three What Are We Fightening For...

Commentary By Ron Beasley




It's going to be difficult for us
...prosecute...a war far away from home with the divisions we have
here....I'm very depressed about it. Because I see no program from
either Defense or State that gives me much hope of doing anything,
except just praying and gasping to hold on...and hope they'll quit.
I don't believe they're ever going to quit. And I don't see
...any...plan for victory---militarily or diplomatically.

~LBJ to Robert McNamara, June 21, 1965.



Reaching For Glory by Michael Beschloss





General Stanley McChrystal's alcohol induced candor is a blessing - we will once again be forced to take a look at Afghanistan.  Other than some old stale news about mineral wealth and ponies there has been no good news out of that graveyard of empires.  You have to wonder if there are conversations like the one above taking place in the White House.  Some how I doubt it - LBJ was much wiser than Obama although not wise enough to listen to his gut.  McChrystal spoke out because he is frustrated - so is everyone else.  There is no end in sight, a majority of Americans now question the war and within a year it will be a 100% US effort.  You can call  it a war or COIN or anything else but you can't win if you are making enemies faster than you kill them.  And as Dave pointed out below the Afghanistan adventure does not pass the cost/benefit test even if there was a chance of winning.  I have rarely agreed with Pat Buchanan but he got it exactly right when he said "they don't hate us because of who we are but because of where we are" and that where is the Muslim world.  Don't forget that the reason bin Laden himself gave for the attack of 911 was US military personnel in the holy land of Saudi Arabia.  It's time to bring are troops home and defend our borders from within our borders.  In the process we might make a few less enemies and make a real start in reducing the deficit.



After LBJ had given up on Vietnam in 1965 over 50,000 Americans died because LBJ was under pressure from the Democratic hawks, that would later become the Republican neocons, to continue.  To those who say Afghanistan if not Vietnam I ask how much different is it.  Obama is not as wise as LBJ but even he must see the futility before too long.  Will he have the spine to say enough is enough?

Cross posted at The Moderate Voice



3 comments:

  1. Ron sorry to be such an asshole - my son tells me I'm one other than on father's day - but so far our dead are a pittance relative to real wars [a real war is defined for me as a war where lots of our people get killed, eh]. Hardly any of ours have been killed yet in these latest adventures so I've wondered for sometime whats the problems, eh. Hey Ron I'm watching on TCM "No time for Sergeant" just now - like things in black'n white maybe.

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  2. "Will he have the spine to say enough is enough?"
    In a word, no.
    And everybody knows it.
    There is simply no evidence, or Obama's recent history, of making the right choice when it comes to exercising government authority. He will as usual, defer governments authority in order to preserve the status-quo (in failure mode) of whatever fiefdom or institution that's being challenged.
    The net effect of which is that we become locked into a downward spiral of full spectrum failure, at least until we hit the ground.

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  3. I couldn't be more pleased to have been wrong about Obama's lack of will to oust McCrystal, in spite of his "emphasis" that there would be no change in policy.

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