Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Wednesday, June 23, 2010

The Rest Of The Story

Commentary By Ron Beasley



Now we're off to bombing these people. We're over that hurdle. I don't think anything is going to be as bad as losing, and I don't see anyway of winning.



~LBJ to Robert McNamara, February 26, 1965



Reaching For Glory by Michael Beschloss





McChrystal is out and Petraeus is in but is that only part of the story?  Tom Andrews says yes:



Michael Hastings' piece is about more than an adolescent general and
his buddies' school-yard shenanigans in Kabul and Paris. It was about
a failing strategy in Afghanistan and the disconnect between how the
administration portrays the war in public and the reality of how the
war is actually being waged.





Here are three points in the Rolling Stone article that contradict
what the White House has presented to Congress and the American people
about the war in Afghanistan:





"Instead of beginning to withdraw troops next year, as Obama promised,
the military hopes to ramp up its counterinsurgency campaign even
further." A senior military official stationed in Afghanistan told
Hastings: "There's a possibility we could ask for another surge of US
forces next summer if we see success here."




General McChrystal's Chief of Operations Major General Bill Mayville,
described the war in Afghanistan as unwinnable: "It's not going to
look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win. This is going
to end in an argument."




"If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it
would become even less popular." This was how a Senior Advisor to
General Stanley McChrystal characterizes the war in Afghanistan.




While President Obama has been assuring Congress and the American
public that US troops will begin leaving Afghanistan next July, his
senior military leaders believe that if they are successful, next
summer could see a surge of troops, not a withdrawal. And the military
should be careful not to reveal what is really going on in Afghanistan
because the more Americans know about the war, the more they will be
against it.





But as Norman Solomon says When the wheels are coming off, it doesn't do much good to change the driver.

Between the lines, some news accounts are implying as much. Hours
before Gen. Stanley McChrystal's meeting with President Obama on
Wednesday, the New York Times reported that "the firestorm was fueled by
increasing doubts -- even in the military -- that Afghanistan can be
won and by crumbling public support for the nine-year war as American
casualties rise."

.......

For months, the McChrystal star had been slipping. A few days
before the Rolling Stone piece caused a sudden plunge from war-making
grace, Time Magazine's conventional-wisdom weathervane Joe Klein was
notably down on McChrystal's results: "Six months after Barack Obama
announced his new Afghan strategy in a speech at West Point, the policy
seems stymied."

Now, words like "stymied" and "stalemate" are
often applied to the
Afghanistan war. But that hardly means the U.S. military is anywhere
near withdrawal.

Walter Cronkite used the word "stalemate" in his
famous February
1968 declaration to CBS viewers that the Vietnam War couldn't be won.
"We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American
leaders both in Vietnam and Washington to have faith any longer in the
silver linings they find in the darkest clouds," he said. And: "It seems
now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to
end in a stalemate."

Yet the U.S. war on Vietnam continued for
another five years,
inflicting more unspeakable horrors on a vast scale.

I'm going to be a bit more positive than Solomon or my partner Steve.  McCrystal's problem was the fact that his plan wasn't working as much as his lose tongue. Petraeus is a smart man and he knows it's not working.  Petraeus is also an ambitious man and doesn't want to be associated with a losing effort.  Obama may have said that McChrystal's departure did not mean a change in policy - don't believe it.  There won't be any dramatic moves in public but out of the public eye there will subtle moves to find an exit - find a way to redefine victory so it won't be so painful.  McChrystal's groupies may have been talking about an additional surge in the summer of 2011 but Petraeus knows that public opinion will be overwhelming against the war by then and congress will bow to the pressure of that public opinion.  I find the fact that Petraeus accepted this assignment to be a good thing.  He will be looking for an exit from a war he knows can't be won.



3 comments:

  1. You mean the guy who wrote the bible on COIN is going to be the guy who will bury COIN in Afghanistan? I am afraid that sound a tad too optimistic to swallow.
    Maybe the simple reason why Petraeus accepted the assignment was that as the ostensible inventor of COIN he was hardly in a position to decline without losing credibility?

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  2. As the inventor of COIN who better to "redefine" it. You are correct, he had little choice but to accept but he is very smart and very ambitious. He smart enough to know that Afghanistan is a no win situation and I think he is smart enough to find an out that looks like a win.

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  3. I hope you're right, Ron, but I agree with SRW1. If Obama decides to get out he'll be destroyed by Petreaus. Petreaus must make the first move, and any deal with the Taliban would put Petreaus' career in Mullah Omar's hands. I'm afraid Obama and Petreaus have tied each other to the mast on this one. We'll be in Afghanistan until bankruptcy.
    As for Congress "bowing to the pressure of public opinion," you saw the Iraq 'debate' didn't you?

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