Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, July 30, 2010

History always continues

By Dave Anderson:

I currently have Robert Massie's Dreadnought and Castles of Steel and Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August next to my bed.  Both authors note the idea that circulated through certain circles that war between major, industrial states was impossible to sustain during the Edwardian era.  States were either too interdependent due to trade to consider war as war would be extremely unprofitable for every nation or the working classes of all combatants would unite in their class interests and sit out the war that would bleed their class but enrich the capitalist classes.

And yet World War 1 happened. Nationalism and the power of the state providing the manpower for the trenches and the hope of a massive indemnity to cover the cost of the war providing a fiscal push to fight. 

There always will be conflict between groups, and there will be ways that groups can successfully use force to gain objectives and advantages.  In World War I, the combatants were stuck between two generations of warfare and needed several years and several million casualties to figure out how to fight and win a mass-mobilization, mass firepower, low maneuverability war.  I think we are in a similar transitional period as mass mobilization, maneuver warfare is being replaced by a rebalancing towards the strategic defensive.  However, this does not mean war as practiced by states is obsolete.

Andrew Bacevich disagrees:

"If any overarching conclusion emerges from the Afghan and Iraq Wars
(and from their Israeli equivalents), it�s this: victory is a chimera. 
Counting on today�s enemy to yield in the face of superior force makes
about as much sense as buying lottery tickets to pay the mortgage: you
better be really lucky...

By 2007, the American officer corps itself gave up on victory,
although without giving up on war.  First in Iraq, then in Afghanistan,
priorities shifted.  High-ranking generals shelved their expectations of
winning -- at least as a Rabin or Schwarzkopf would have understood
that term.  They sought instead to not lose.  In Washington as in U.S.
military command posts, the avoidance of outright defeat emerged as the
new gold standard of success.



I agree with Professor Bacevich that the Western desire for short, decisive wars that are also system transforming wars are at an end.  The United States was not able to impose its maximal will in Iraq, nor will it be able to do the same in Afghanistan.  However, limited objective wars, including the ability to launch large scale, short term punitive expeditions are completely comprehensible within the evolving framework of state based force utilization and war. 

War between states is less likely in the future, and less likely to be successful if and only if state based powers continue to operate under the constraints that states have imposed on themselves since World War II, even if they are observed in breech.  Large scale expeditions could be successful if the expeditionary force does not try to impose its will on the entire local political situation. 

For instance, imagine a world of $175 per barrel of oil, and the Saudis refusing to pump more than 7 million barrels per day despite their claims that they have 10 million barrels per day of easily pumpable oil. Since most Saudi oil is located in a few large fields that are isolated from major population centers.  If a foreign expeditionary force seizes those fields and some of the export infrastructure they can be profitable if there is a mass population transfer and free fire zones to minimize reinfilitration.  Oil production would be undertaken by imported foreign contractors after the short term sabotage was fixed.  The rest of the Saudi political/military system would be left alone once the looting area was secured.  The two big explicit constraints that are ignored in this scenario are intentional mass population transfers/population cleansing, and then freely targeting civilians who approach the looted area. 

"Successful" wars of the future are likely to be minimal objective wars. 



2 comments:

  1. But you and Bachevich seem to agree that "the American way of war" is obsolete. Will that translate into a new "Powell Doctrine" -- only fight limited objective wars you can "win" with an exit strategy? What will it take in the American psyche for that to happen?

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