Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010

Some thoughts on the "War Logs"

Commentary By Ron Beasley




As someone who was part of the intelligence community when the Pentagon Papers were published I'm a little late to the commentary.  I have really been trying to compose my thoughts.  First some thoughts on classification.  There are several classifications:




  • Sensitive

  • Confidential

  • Secret

  • Top Secret


There are sub categories of Secret and Top Secret and having the proper security clearance only means you have access to the document if you have a "need to know."  The first three are not that secret.  We used to joke that Confidential meant the information was in Newsweek last week and Secret meant it would be in Newsweek this week or next. 



For starters the War Logs are not the modern day Pentagon Papers.  The Pentagon Papers were Top Secret and probably less than a hundred people had access to them.  They presented new information that indicated that the administration and the military knew there was really no way to win and had known it for a long time.  This was verified when Lyndon Johnson's personal conversations were published.

It's going to be difficult for us ...prosecute...a war far away from
home with the divisions we have here....I'm very depressed about it.  Because I see no program from either Defense or State that gives me much
hope of doing anything, except just praying and gasping to hold
on...and hope they'll quit.  I don't believe they're every going to
quit.  And I don't see ...any...plan for victory---militarily or
diplomatically.

~LBJ to Robert McNamara, June 21, 1965.

The War Logs on the other hand are Secret and thousands of military personal, government employees and private contractors had easy access.  While the Pentagon Papers were finished intelligence the War Logs are just that, war logs - raw intelligence.  Much if not most of raw intelligence is bogus.  It is the job of the analyst to determine what is wheat and what is chaff.  Much of what we see here may indeed be chaff.  As Dave pointed out the most important difference is there is nothing new.

None of this is new to anyone paying attention.  However, most people
are not paying attention to the details, although they are paying
attention to the general atmospherics and vaguely know that the war in
Afghanistan is not achieving its stated objectives nor is it producing
any security gain comparable to the costs.

After the Pentagon Papers were released the world knew that the government had been lying to them about the Vietnam war.  The release of the War Logs will will make it more difficult for the administration to wage it's disinformation campaign on Afghanistan.  That is why the Pentagon and the Obama administration are so upset.



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