Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, August 6, 2010

If They'd Listened to the Scientists We Might Not Need to Observe Hiroshima Day

By Russ Wellen


Originally published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in 1948 and in a 1956 book, a poll was posted on Ptak Science Books History of Ideas blog in 2007, but only recently brought to my attention. It seems that in July 1945 answers to a multiple-choice questionnaire were solicited from 250 scientists at the Chicago Metallurgical Laboratory division of the Manhattan Project. The question and choices:



Which of the following five procedures comes closest to your choice as to the way in which any new weapons that may develop should be used in the Japanese war?



1. Use them in the manner that is from the military point of view most effective in bringing about prompt Japanese surrender at minimum cost to our armed forces.



2. Give a military demonstration in Japan to be followed by renewed opportunity for surrender before full use of the weapon is employed.



3. Give an experimental demonstration in this country, with representatives of Japan present, followed by a new opportunity for surrender before full use of the weapon is employed.



4. Withhold military use of the weapons, but make public experimental demonstration of their effectiveness. [Not sure how this differs from questions 2 and 3. -- RW]



5. Maintain as secret as possible all developments of our new weapons and refrain from using them in this war.



The scientists' votes: 1: 15%, 2. 46%, 3. 26%, 4. 11%, 5. 2%.



In light of how few supported unequivocal use of the new weapon, you see that policymakers, at best, took their responses, "under advisement." An opportunity was lost to use discretion and end the war on an uplifting note which would have acted as a springboard to a more peaceful world. Especially since more and more historians now believe that it wasn't the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that prompted Japan to surrender.



No one is more eloquent on this subject than Ward Wilson of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. At Rethinking Nuclear Weapons he recently wrote: "The evidence that the Emperor was deeply affected by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is so gossamer thin that the merest breath of skepticism sweeps it aside." (For more see Wilson's June, 2007 International Security article The Winning Weapon?) After all, Japan had already lost 100,000 in the bombing of Tokyo and tens of thousands more in comprehensive bombing that included towns as small as yours or mine. Bear in mind, following that line of thinking, the demonstrations might not have induced the emperor to surrender either.



Apparently the reason Japan surrendered wasn't that different from the reason the United States bombed -- the Soviet Union. Japan feared the Soviets were on the verge of invading and the United States wanted to put the fear of God into them, you know, for future reference.


Let us know what your response might have been in the comments section.


The poll:
http://iedllc.com/AskPeople_2_2_2/survey.php?sid=C859D7



First posted at Focal Points.



3 comments:

  1. >>[Not sure how this differs from questions 2 and 3. -- RW]
    I think #4 means, don't ever use it as a weapon.

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  2. They actually did listen to the scientists to a substantial extent. This is borne out in all of the reading I have done on Hiroshima, including Bird and Sherwin's seminal "American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer."
    But in the end, they of course went for option #1. As much as I have anguished over this over the years, including three years spent in the Far East with Tokyo my base and Hiroshima a stopping-off point, I have to conclude that it was the only option.
    Hirohito truly is the villain of this sad saga and you are being terribly naive when you write that an opportunity to end the war "on an uplifting note" was missed.
    There was nothing to be uplifted after 234,874 Americans had lost their lives in the Pacific theater alone. There was nothing be uplifted when millions of people under Japanese occupation in the Philippines, New Guinea, Borneo and elsewhere faced starvation, including hundreds of thousands of POWs from the U.S., Britain, Australia, New Zealand and the Netherlands.
    While there is a good deal of revisionist history out there, two overarching points cannot be overlooked:
    * The bombs ended the war months sooner and saved an estimated half million American lives that could have been lost in an invasion of the Japanese mainland.
    * Hard-line Japanese militarists had adamantly refused to surrender although it was obvious that the war was lost.
    Through the gauzy lens of the present, what happened 65 years ago today can be viewed as a genocidal act of terrorism. It was not.
    Oppenheimer and his fellow scientists understood that option #1 was the only option.

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  3. >> Oppenheimer and his fellow scientists understood that option #1 was the only option.
    Strange conclusion, shaun, considering that 72% of the scientists voted for #2 and #3 - the demonstrations options:
    The scientists' votes: 1: 15%, 2. 46%, 3. 26%, 4. 11%, 5. 2%.

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