Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, August 16, 2010

Taliban legitimation (or recognizing reality)

By Dave Anderson:



The Karzai government in Afghanistan has been making a series of back-channel and plausibly deniable conversations with Quetta Shura Taliban(QST) leaders for most of a year now.  Karzai and his coterie of cronies know that the Americans, NATO and the rest of ISAF will be drawing down their support (both cash and combat troops) in the next couple of years.  They know that they need to face reality as it is instead of how they would like it to be, and that means dealing with Pashtun conservatives and tribal militias as a legitimate political force with political interests in Afghanistan. 



The US government has been schitzo about talking with anti-Karzai government forces including various elements of the Taliban.  I've long contended that there should only be one red-line in any talks --- a disavowal of support for any far-enemy terrorist groups, and then everything else is a local matter that can be subject to horse-trading. 



It looks like the QST is making a bid for its local legitimacy to be recognized while also willing to concede some of its counter-counterinsurgency tactics of assassinations and non-governmental organization targeting.  The Guardian has details:



NATO and the United Nations are cautiously
considering a Taliban proposal to set
up a joint commission to investigate allegations of civilians being
killed and wounded in the conflict in Afghanistan, diplomats in Kabul say...



The statement called for the establishment
of a body including members from the Organisation of the Islamic
Conference, UN human rights investigators, NATO and the Taliban...



Such a body could conceivably act as a confidence building measure for future talks among various Taliban elements, the US, NATO, ISAF and the Karzai government. If such a body was established, and it successfully embarrassed Taliban elements from carrying out an effective night-letter and assassination campaign, that would aid in the delivery of a valuable public good --- public security, so that would be a win for the US counter-insurgency strategy. At the same time, such a body would be a recognition of the Taliban as a legitimate military and political actor with legitimate interests in southern Afghanistan. This is something worth pursuing.

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