Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Wednesday, September 29, 2010

Pessimism About NATO's Relevance

By Steve Hynd


James Joyner reports on a conference about "NATO Beyong Afghanistan" held yesterday at the Atlantic Council in which the gloom was pervasive:


Yesterday's gathering of scholars and policymakers, most of them Atlanticists from way back, were mostly at a loss for how to reignite NATO in the wake of Afghanistan.  Indeed, it was as pessimistic a gathering as I've seen on the subject.   How gloomy was it?    Luncheon speaker Bob Kagan, who eight summers ago told us "It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world," was among the most optimistic voices.

None of the panelists in the Political Will discussion had any illusion that there actually was any political will in NATO.  At least, not in the publics of Western Europe.   Kurt Volker, a career diplomat who served as President George W. Bush's ambassador to NATO, said that "It is hard to overstate NATO's lack of unified commitment and vision." 

...Volker observed that the new Strategic Concept, to be unveiled in Lisbon November 19-20, was supposed to answer these questions.   But the combination of the global economic collapse and the worsening of the situation in Afghanistan has likely killed that ambition.  Most likely, we'll end up kicking the can down the road a bit, agreeing in the meantime on some vague platitudes about mutual cooperation.




Well, I did try to tell James that he was being overly-optimistic about European zeal for out-of-area adventurism just so that American presidents can look tough at home. When even neoconservatives like Britain's Liam Fox are saying stuff like "The fat needs to be trimmed away, because we're not in NATO as a job creation project. We are there to ensure that it delivers what we need in terms of our combined security," at the same time as he's telling his Prime Minister in deliberately leaked letters that he won't stand for cuts to the British armed forces, then NATO is on a European back-burner.


Despite blackmail from the US general in charge of the effort to (fail to) train Afghan troops, there's no enthusiasm in Europe for escalating their troop commitments there or for getting involved in more out-of-area experiences like Iraq and Afghanistan. Ever since the Dutch proved that Article Five comes with a small-print caveat: "We'll all come when called but we each alone will decide when we're done," NATO has been a lame duck organisation. Expanding the organisation's remit into cyberwar or out-of-area security isn't going to fly - although repurposing as a disaster relief force just might. Sarkozy has already proposed such a force for the European Union and many Europeans are already looking afresh at the EDF as an "in-area" security force to replace NATO, though.


For decades, NATO has largely been what the US has wanted it to be. If it is to repurpose itself for the future, however, I suspect it's going to end up looking far more like something Europeans want and America can live with in the name of preserving the ties the organisation has built up over those decades.



2 comments:

  1. Oh, I'm under no illusions that Europe has an appetite for an expeditionary NATO.
    What's interesting to me in terms of the gloom and doom of the conference is that, like Kagan, I used to be among the most pessimistic guys in the room. And that's because we both fundamentally understood that America and Old Europe were at different places philosophically. As a result, we have much more modest ambitions for the Alliance than the folks who were so gung ho a couple years ago.
    My concern is having enough European engagement to plausibly call the thing a military alliance so that we don't lose the interoperability that we've gained over the years. NATO will be needed again at some point and I'd like it to still be there.

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  2. Thanks for responding, James. I have to agree that a form of NATO continuation would be nice - and for my money that's either going to be a body focussed more on aid and recovery or one that joins a larger and more capable EDF to the existing NATO structure somehow.
    Regards, Steve

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