Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, February 5, 2011

Egypt and "Triangulation" (Updated)

By Steve Hynd


Isn't this perfectly Clinton-esque?



The United States and leading European nations on Saturday threw their weight behind a gradual transition in Egypt, backing attempts by the country�s vice president, Omar Suleiman, to negotiate with opposition groups without immediately removing President Hosni Mubarak from power.


The strong endorsement came as Mr. Suleiman, a longtime security official and confidante of Mr. Mubarak, told opposition leaders that he would not press his boss to resign before September and ruled out any delegation of Mr. Mubarak�s power, central demands of the opposition.


...By emphasizing the need for a gradual transition, only days after emphasizing that change there must begin immediately, the Obama administration was viewed as shifting away from protesters in the streets and toward stronger backing for Mr. Mubarak�s hand-picked elite.



Stability, even if it comes at the hands of the man who led torturing by Egypt on George W. Bush's behalf, is preferable to putting America's support where it's rhetoric has long been about "democracy".


And even then, the Clinton/Pentagon Faction in control of American foreign policy can't help but try to have its cake and eat it too. Long-time insider Frank Wisner went of the reservation to say Mubarak might still stay only to get instant but anonymous pushback from the Sate Dept.



At the same Munich meeting on Saturday, Frank G. Wisner, the former ambassador President Obama sent to Cairo to negotiate with Mr. Mubarak, suggested that the United States should not rush to push Mr. Mubarak out the door. He said Mr. Mubarak had a �critical� role to play through the end of his presidential term in September.


�You need to get a national consensus around the preconditions of the next step forward, and the president must stay in office in order to steer those changes through,� Mr. Wisner said of Mr. Mubarak. �I therefore believe that President Mubarak�s continued leadership is critical � it�s his opportunity to write his own legacy.�


A senior administration official quickly sought to distance the White House from Mr. Wisner�s comments. American officials have said that they are seeking privately to nudge Mr. Mubarak out of his executive role ahead of September elections, though they have also said that they do not view his departure as an essential first step toward a transition to a new democratic system in the country.


Mr. Wisner, the official said, had not been supplied with talking points for his remarks to the Munich conference.


�We�re not coming out and making a pronouncement about Murbarak�s future,� this official said. �Frank Wisner was speaking for himself, he was not speaking for the United States government.�



My own thought is that Wisner's too much of a DC and Clintonista insider, too much of an old hand, to have "done a Biden" in so dramatic a fashion and thus can only imagine that a - plausibly deniable - message is being sent to Sulieman that Mubarak is still America's fall-back position if Sulieman drops the ball. ( Others disagree and expect Wisner to shortly be spending "more time with his family".)


Still, the fact that the White House is backing either will not play well with Egypt's protesters. Evan Hill, a reporter for Al Jazeera on the scene, tweets that " I think the US badly underestimates the Tahrir mood if it thinks it can edge Mub[arak] out". Well yes, it does. Deciding that the "little people" don't matter and can be safely ignored while playing power-chess with their lives is the very definition of the Very Serious People inside the beltway Bubble at work. 


Update: Clinton seems to be backing Wisner, according to Reuters:



U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also spoke of supporting the Egyptian government to ensure a swift and orderly handover of power.


"President Mubarak has announced he will not stand for reelection nor will his son ... He has given a clear message to his government to lead and support this process of transition," Clinton told the same Munuch conference of world leaders.


"That is what the government has said it is trying to do, that is what we are supporting, and hope to see it move as orderly but as expeditiously as possible under the circumstances," she said.



Jeebus, did you ever read such other-side-of-the-mouth BS? I predict Wisner shouldn't be expecting more down time with his family just yet.


Reuters's Tom Perry writes "With some protesters insisting they want not just Mubarak but also his allies out straight away, moves to keep the 82-year-old president in office are unlikely to go down well". Gee, ya thunk?


Update2: OK, well I'm wrong on at least this much - the State Dept has now publicly distanced itself from Wisner's remarks so he'll be getting more family time after all.



 state department spokesman PJ Crowley said: "We have great respect for Frank Wisner and we were deeply appreciative of his willingness to travel to Egypt last week."


"He has not continued in any official capacity following the trip. The views he expressed today are his own. He did not co-ordinate his comments with the US government."



But even Jonathan Marcus, the BBC's veteran diplomatic correspondent is still left wondering if Wisner's remarks were "the view of just a well-informed expert on Egypt, or a glimpse from Mr Obama's special envoy of the real game plan in Washington?"


And currect talks between some opposition groups and Sulieman are notable not just for promised concessions but for the way they contained absolutely no mention of a departure date for Mubarak at all.



2 comments:

  1. ...moves to keep the 82-year-old president in office are unlikely to go down well.
    Absolutely.
    The Tahrirites have been neither ambiguous nor complicated. Nothing short of a Mubarak exit will be, to use Obama's locution, acceptable.
    Seems to me they have stayed on point from the start. When there is only one talking point it's not easy to lose focus.
    And they are taking no chances. One of the "Top Tweets" is The protesters think the army might try to squeeze them out of Tahrir Square, so they are sleeping around the tanks.

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  2. >> Stability... is preferable to putting America's support where it's rhetoric has long been about "democracy". ... Deciding that the "little people" don't matter and can be safely ignored while playing power-chess with their lives is the very definition of the Very Serious People inside the beltway Bubble at work.
    The fact that this strategy has been working in the US for the past 60 years is why the 'serious people' believe it will work with the Egyptian populace.
    We are the reason they're thinking, 'just promise the Egyptian people 'hope and change', swap the titles of a few Egyptian government officials, and everything there will be back to business as usual next week.'

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