Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, March 17, 2011

WTF; Libya edition

By Dave Anderson:


Michael Cohen at Democracy Arsenal asks a very important and so far unanswered question:



The question that needs to be asked is not how will doing nothing further US interests; the question is how will doing something further US interests. 


The argument that 'doing something' will improve our "plummeting credibility" in the Arab world is both not a rationale for acting; it's not even in the national interest of the United States. In general, I'm sort of amazed that progressives - after Vietnam, after Iraq and after Afghanistan - would be using the argument that we need to send US troops in harm's way to preserve US credibility. After all, wars should be fought for national interests, not national image.



Here is the Libyan oil field map (courtesy of the LA Times).  The oil is spread around both the pro and anti-Quaddafi areas of the country.


60064337 There are no mega-concentrations that are near the coast or in the near off-shore that are easy to protect in rebel territory.  Instead, most of the oil fields in the combat zone are significantly inland and transfer heavily relies on brittle pipelines.  Pretty soon, if not already, both sides will have plenty of men who have access to military grade high explosives and the knowledge on how to use them against brittle targets.  Both sides will have incentive to conduct economic seiges against each other by cutting the pipelines in each respective territory if NATO air strikes produces a stale mate, or the loser to take a page out of the Sunni Arab playbook in Iraq if the NATO air strikes produce a Northern Alliance moment instead of a Kosovo moment. 


So supporting air strikes and the probable insertion of at least British and French Special Forces to direct those air strikes will degrade American economic interests over the short and intermediate term.  What happens when the losing side decides that a conventional fight against NATO air power is damn dumb, disperses into light infantry groups and begins to destroy the hard currency engine of Libya?  Do we say it is time to say in the Marines yet again to sort out a nasty tribal war where we have minimal objective interests but feel like pissing away thousands of lives and tens of billions of dollars that our political class says we don't have unless it is for the priority of blowing people up?


Why yes we will. 


Again, WTF....



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