Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, April 15, 2011

France Suggests New Regime Change UNSCR On Libya

By Steve Hynd


Here we go - mission creep is about to turn into mission gallop.


Following fast on an open letter from Barack Obama, David Cameron and Nicholas Sarkozy which openly called for regime change in Libya - printed in the NY Times and elsewhere - the BBC reports:



The French defence minister has suggested a new UN Security Council resolution may be needed for Nato allies to achieve their goals in Libya.


...Speaking on French radio, Mr Longuet conceded that ousting Col Gaddafi would be "certainly" beyond the scope of the existing UN Security Council Resolution 1973 on Libya, and could require a new council vote.


"Beyond resolution 1973, certainly it didn't mention the future of Gaddafi but I think that three major countries saying the same thing is important to the United Nations and perhaps one day the Security Council will adopt a resolution."



It's highly questionable whether such a resolution would pass. Russia has already accused the US, UK and France of exceeding their UN mandate on Libya and would probably veto a resolution calling for troops on the ground - which is what a regime change resolution would need. Bombing alone will not remove Gaddafi from power. Nor will the rebels, who are described as being in "hopeless disarray" - and nor will wishful thinking in op-eds. The French get this even if Obama doesn't yet.


There'd be a lot of pushback in NATO too. Several members of the military alliance have turned down Anglo-french pressure to add their aircraft to the ground-strike force. Italy's Defense Minister told Reuters that "The current line being followed by Italy is the right one and we are not thinking about changing our contribution to the military operations in Libya," while the Dutch Foreign Minister told the BBC that "This question actually goes beyond Security Council Resolution 1973," .... "For the Dutch government, it is of the utmost importance to fully respect the framework of the resolution."


Daniel Larison explains what will happen in the short term.



What that means in practice is that the fighting that endangers civilians will drag on much longer than it would otherwise, the humanitarian crisis for displaced and besieged civilians will get progressively worse before significant aid will be able to reach them, and a war waged in the name of the �responsibility to protect� will continue until the regime has been defeated. There are no obvious incentives here for the western tribes still allied with Gaddafi to break with him. Despite a vague reference later in the op-ed to �an inclusive constitutional process,� the intervening governments have given every indication that they are going to treat the Benghazi leadership, which is dominated by members of eastern tribes, as the legitimate or preferred leadership in Libya. That effectively closes the door to a negotiated end to the fighting in the near term, and it gives Gaddafi�s allies no incentives to abandon him.



Sure, in the next six months or so. But beyond that we've got a couple of ticking clocks - particularly the French and U.S. presidential elections - that give me cause to speculate it won't remain the case for a whole year. Sarkozy has no intention of going to a vote next April with the Libyan war he cheerled more than any other Western leader in an expensive and inconclusive stalemate and he has shown recently in the Ivory Coast that he's willing to act unilaterally on the ground and drag the international community along with him. With his own re-election vote looming, Obama may become more willing to sidestep the UN and go along with a French plan to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Cameron, a poodle to both the others for different reasons, will go along.


By next AprilI I think there will be French, and probably UK and US, troops on the ground in Libya. If Sarko's politically smart, he'll try to get to a "toppling the statues" moment just before his re-election date and leave the inevitable descent into a counter-insurgency quagmire for after he's won his next term. Of course, that may mean that by Obama's November date with the voters, the Libyan liberation cakewalk has obviously turned into another Iraq.



1 comment:

  1. >> "three major countries saying the same thing is important"
    What this means, imho, is that they have identified, and have conducted satisfactory negotiations with, the person they'll back as the next leader of Libya; and therefore they can now proceed with a more proactive approach to aiding the anti-Khaddafi forces.

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