Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, May 5, 2011

Pakistan's "Deep State" Fights Back

By Steve Hynd


Last night I asked Pakistani ambassador to the US, Hussain Haqqani, "What's the plan if the US now finds Zawahiri and Mullah Omar in compounds in major Pakistani cities?" I didn't really expect a direct answer from the ambassador - after all, who am I? But today's news brings an answer of sorts.


A Pakistani official has, not very helpfully, described the action at Bin laden's compound as "cold-blooded". Pakistani army chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani has said that US military personnel must be cut to "minimum essential" levels. And the good general, who was head of the ISI at the time of the attacks on Mumbai in 2006 which the Pakistani intelligence service are believed to have been complicit in, also says that "any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States."


So that's my answer. The plan, if Mullah Omar is found in a safe house in Quetta or Zawahiri in Islamabad, is to sulk and simply stop co-operating with the international community.


You know, I think the U.S. should expect more for its $23.5 billion dollars in direct military aid and payments over the decade from 2002 to 2012 (PDF).


In The Australian today, Camilla Cavendish gets to the heart of the White House's problem - that consistently over administrations it has allowed Pakistan to play the victim:



The West cannot turn its back on Pakistan, which is a nuclear power, but it must rewrite the script so that the army cannot continue to play the victim card with Washington, asking for aid to combat extremism while blatantly failing in the mission and exporting terrorism elsewhere.



Best of luck with that. As I say, it's not a new problem or a partisan one in the corridors of DC - and even now, most American experts and policymakers are afraid to call a spade a terrorism-enabling state.


And even if D.C. should finally decide Pakistan isn't even worth the name of "fair weather' ally, nothing is going to change there without changing the dynamic whereby a "deep state" military and feudal elite make a charade of democracy. In a must-read post, A.A. Khalid writes:



Pakistan�s establishment has now put the country at grave risk. To international observers, Pakistan is either dishonest or incompetent, and to our domestic nutcases Pakistan has committed the ultimate betrayal, while the ordinary Pakistani just feels this strange mix of humiliation, shock, sadness, happiness (Bin Laden is gone) and bewilderment at the whole affair. In short, Pakistan comes out of this whole sorry affair as a Judas-like figure in the West, while Pakistanis have to ask some deep questions and face brutal retaliation. As ever, normal innocent Pakistani civilians and brave Pakistani soldiers, security personnel and police will pay the price for the establishment�s adventures.


This latest adventure the establishment has taken the country on leads only to destruction. But this latest incident has perhaps delivered a blow to the Deep State internationally and perhaps this will filter through in Pakistan. Time to ask questions and finally confront the demon within.


Real democracy, with intra party elections with a free and fair electoral process and where politicians are not tainted by corruption, feudalism and army collusion is something that Pakistan has never experienced. This latest episode could mark a turning point or watershed moment. It could be the ��Eureka�� moment when Pakistanis realize it�s time for civilian to control the political process and for the soldiers to back to the barracks once and for all.


Without the death of the Deep State all anti-terror measures and reform initiatives will ultimately fail.



But as Mosharraf Zaidi wrote back in February, don't go expecting any Pakistani Spring revolution.



Elections come and go in Pakistan, and there is a vocal set of voices to counter the military�s dominance of the national discourse. Yet, the military continues to be an all-weather navigator for Pakistan�with ample assistance from the US.



That's been the dynamic for a long time now, and that's the way the dynamic is likely to stay.


Update: Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden. And now you know why the dynamic is likely to stay the same. One lobbyist has received $2 million from the Pakistani government in two years - and given the way things work between the two nations that money probably originated in US taxpayers pockets!



9 comments:

  1. The Paks love to act like the U.S. has wronged them so terribly in the past by "abandoning them" not just one, but two times! Sadly, leaders like Mike Mullen eat it up and then go around America explaining how we've been so horrible to Pakistan in the last 50 years and that's why we should feel okay about giving them billions of our tax dollars every year while they CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SAFE HARBOR for the extremist enemies of our country.
    That's bullshit. America never had any obligation to be Pakistan's sugar daddy and we sure as hell don't now. Pakistan is a fucking nuclear state with a 130 million people. Their whining about how we've only been a "fairweather friend" is disgustingly disingenuous, especially as the only friendship we've received in return is a half-assed Pak military assault on a couple different FATA zones, which they probably needed to get back under central government control anyway, lest Pashtunistan become a reality.
    There's something to be said for keeping one's enemies closer than one's friends, but if that's so, we should be reaping some actual benefits from our renewed "friendship." As it is, Pakistan hasn't done shit for the United States, while the U.S. can point to billions of dollars in straight-up cash and tons of military equipment that it has given Pakistan. So the Paks need to shut the hell up with this "fairweather friend" malarkey before we decide to show them what it's like to be America's enemy.

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  2. yay Taylor, lets just bomb them into the stone age to show them who is boss! huah

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  3. Actually Tina has a point. Steve, all snark aside Pakistan is not an ally - fair weather or otherwise. If you recall this phase of the "alliance" began with Armitage telling Musharraf to cooperate or get bombed back to the stone age - or so the story goes. Putting a gun to someone's head and telling them to do something or-else may be an effective way of gaining immediate compliance, but I am reasonably sure that it is not an alliance. Therefore, to analyze the behavior of the Pakistanis in terms of an alliance will lead you nowhere. If you are interested in analysis and perhaps prediction you need to examine this relationship in terms of what it is, not in terms of the name attached to it.

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  4. I certainly wouldn't argue with you, empty and Tina - and we'd be wrong to follow Taylor's call to keep on short-terming the problem with bullying, as Bush did. I'm sure Bush and his folk didn't think in terms of repercussions for Armitage's threat a decade later, they just wanted to be seen doing something, anything, fast.
    But empty, analyzing the behavior of the Pakistanis in terms of an alliance is exactly what I'm saying should stop.
    Regards, Steve

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  5. But empty, analyzing the behavior of the Pakistanis in terms of an alliance is exactly what I'm saying should stop.

    Understood. Thanks.

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  6. This piece is surprisingly high on crap for newshoggers. Firstly some of the references in the post say "International Community" when they mean to say US.
    sulk and simply stop co-operating with the international community.
    Pakistan threatened to stop cooperating with the US Military not the International Community there is a differance believe it or not. Again.
    To international observers, Pakistan is either dishonest or incompetent
    Both Vladamir Putin and China both came out supporting Pakistan. The response from the Europe (where I live) has been pretty muted except Conservative Prime Minister Cameron in the UK.
    However the quote that really made me eyeroll was.
    has allowed Pakistan to play the victim
    Absolutely shocking coming from an American. Pakistan has lost close to 20,000 people since 9-11 in terrorist and military operations. In 2010 alone there were 80 seperate suicide bombings in Pakistan. And America accuses Pakistan of "playing the victim"... when America still crying over 1 attack 10 years ago.
    I think if America had suffered 80 suicide bombings in 2010 the whole country would have gone crazy. But when it happens in Pakistan dumbass Americans just say "Pakistan is playing the victim".
    (Source on numbers of Pakistani deaths come from Ministry of Interior as quoted in the below link)
    http://ahmadiyyatimes.blogspot.com/2011/01/pakistan-2010-bloodiest-year-for-people.html

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  7. Colm, are you under the impression I'm American? No, I'm Scottish.
    As to Pakistan's deaths: I have the greatest of sympathy for the victims and the common people of Pakistan - and yet it remains true that the bulk of those deaths have been caused by terror groups begun by the Pakistani deep state as its proxies, who then turned upon their patrons. That the same could be said of the US in no way changes the fact that Pakistan's elite must take a share of the blame for their own nation's dead or that Pakistan is now fighting a war on terror groups of its own genesis. Given that, I'd submit that the Pakistani state has no business playing the victim.
    Regards, Steve

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  8. When you count how many died in Pakistan, have you considered the fact how they died, or rather where from do the killers originate? Also try taking a stats of the number of deaths and damage in neighbouring India who is the prime target of Pakistan bred terrorism. I hope you will get some of your answers Colm.
    BTW, international community doesn't mean America, true; but neither does it mean the developed nations. Cheers!!

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  9. Steve,
    "nothing is going to change there without changing the dynamic whereby a "deep state" military and feudal elite make a charade of democracy."
    Huh. I thought you were describing Washington.

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