Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, June 16, 2011

For 2012, Republicans run to the anti-war side of the street

By Steve Hynd


According to Mike Allen of Politico, Wahington Post conservative writer George Will's Sunday column will call U.S. intervention in Libya a "debacle" and an "absurdly disproportionate and patently illegal war". In saying that, he'll be speaking for a sizeable part of the American public. But more importantly he'll be giving valuable political support to Republicans, both incumbents and prospective presidential candidates, as they head for 2012 by running to the anti-war left.


House leader Boehner says he is reviewing options on Libya after the White House's non-answer on the question of congressional authorization:



�The White House says there are no hostilities taking place, yet we�ve got drone attacks under way, we�re spending $10 million a day, [and] part of the mission is to drop bombs on [Libyan dictator Moammar] Gadhafi's compound,� Boehner said. �That doesn�t pass the straight-face test, in my view, that we�re not in the midst of hostilities.�


...The �ultimate option,� Boehner said, is that �Congress has the power of the purse� and could cut off funding for the mission. �Certainly that is an option as well,� he said.



Such a move would certainly be opposed by Dems in the Senate and in any case vetoed by Obama, leading to an optic going into 2012 of Democrats, led by a loose-cannon President, forcing Congress to fund a war they haven't authorized. Thanks to weak-kneed Dems, the Left could only dream of such a scenario going into 2008 - one that would have led to an even bigger landslide for Obama and could lead to apathy on the part of the Democratic base next year.


Boehner's not the only one sounding like a peacenik lefty hippie recently either. As Jim Malone of VOA News notes:



The recent Republican debate had a different tone in the discussion of the war in Afghanistan compared to debates in the past two U.S. presidential elections.

Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney is the frontrunner for the Republican Party�s presidential nomination next year. Romney says the long U.S. commitment to the war in Afghanistan should serve as a cautionary lesson to those who would support nation-building efforts in the future.

�I want those troops to come home based upon not politics, not based upon economics, but instead based upon the conditions on the ground determined by the generals," he said. "But I also think we have learned that our troops should not go off and try to fight a war of independence for another nation. Only the Afghanis can win Afghanistan�s independence from the Taliban.�



During the debate Ron paul went even further:



�I wouldn�t wait for my generals. I�m the commander in chief. I make the decisions," he said. "I tell the generals what to do and I would bring them home as quickly as possible and I would get them out of Iraq as well. And I wouldn�t start a war in Libya and I would quit bombing Yemen and I�d quit bombing Pakistan.�



And even Michele Bachmann described American policy on Libya as "substantially flawed".


Finally, today newly-announced candidate Jon Huntsman threw his anti-war statement into the arena:



Huntsman, during an interview last week with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley that aired on "State of the Union," raised the question of whether U.S. forces can remain until 2014 or beyond. "I would argue you can if you're willing to pay another quarter of a trillion dollars to do so. But if it isn't in our direct national security interest and if there isn't a logical exit strategy and if we don't know what the cost is going to be in terms of money and human lives, then I think you have to say it's probably time we reevaluate this if we can't make that strong argument with the American people."


In a separate interview just published in Esquire Magazine, Huntsman said remaining engaged in Afghanistan does not seem to be key to America's national security.


"It's a tribal state, and it always will be. Whether we like it or not, whenever we withdraw from Afghanistan, whether it's now or years from now, we'll have an incendiary situation...Should we stay and play traffic cop? I don't think that serves our strategic interests," Huntsman, a former U.S. ambassador to China, told Esquire. In excerpts released of its upcoming story, Huntsman said if the U.S. can't "define a winning strategy for the American people, where we somehow come out ahead, then we're wasting our money, and we're wasting our strategic resources."


Huntsman told CNN the American people want to be out of the country "as quickly as we can get it done."



It's making for an interesting 2012, I must say. Not that I believe one word of it, though. Like Democrat apparatchiks before them, the Republican power players are just trying to tap the votes of an American public which is sick of the Forever War. Indside the beltway, though, interventionism as the guiding light of American foreign policy isn't dead - in fact it is flourishing. Like Dems in 2008 who deserted the anti-war movement in droves, Republicans will spurn their current stances should they win the presidency and reclaim the wars as "theirs".



4 comments:

  1. Ron Paul is an old isolationist Republican and he sincerely believes what he says. The reality is the American people are tired of the war without end and a politician who takes an antiwar stand is likely to benefit. There is an opportunity for an antiwar/anti free trade candidate. It's something the progressives and tea party types pay have in common. The powers that be will do anything possible to make sure this does not happen. Can they stop it? That remains to be seen.

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  2. And if it weren�t for the fact that Ron Paul is otherwise rather nuts, his paleocon isolationist tendencies would make him a more attractive candidate. As it is, he�s the Republican version of Kucinich, a wacky outsider with no real hope, and in his case, that�s not really a bad thing.
    As for the �anti-war� tendencies of the Republican presidential candidates and/or their tea party base, its simply a matter of being against whatever Obama happens to be for. Obama was clear on being for Afghanistan even when he ran in 2008, and outside of the Libyan conflict, the drone attacks in Yemen and Pakistan are continuations of Bush actions that none of those candidates would be attacking or have issues with, and I�m more than willing to bet the tea partiers, who are mostly led around by the nose by the big money Republican backers, would have any issue with them either. Not to mention that if it were to be brought up, I bet most of them would state Iraq was a success thanks to Bush�s �surge� and so Obama was wrong to oppose it. Its all about who is leading the wars, not the wars themselves.
    And that�s why there really isn�t an opening for a antiwar/anti-globalization candidate (can�t say anti-free trade, since none of the so-called �free trade� agreements have anything to do with actual free trade. They are entirely about corporate profiteering and end runs around inconvenient regulations). The tea partiers won�t support anything that their corporate masters tell them smacks of progressivism, however much their rhetoric may occasionally sound similar to progressive goals, and while their foreign policy rhetoric may actually be close in the broad strokes to the progressive vision, scratch the surface and some pretty deep divisions start to appear, and their domestic priorities are about as far apart as you can get. Campaigns and politics are about visions, and the tea party vision of America is not anywhere near close to a progressive one.

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  3. hell is only half fullJune 17, 2011 at 4:11 AM

    In 1968, I pissed off my anti-war acquaintances by saying, when Richard Nixon won the Presidency on a semi-anti-war platform, "Well that guarantees the war will go on for four more years." I dropped my marching and support immediately.
    I didn't miss by a month. The Paris peace accords were signed less than a month before Nixon's re-election. Shame it happened after I went insane in Vietnam.
    Anti-war combined with politician make me vomit.

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  4. Yep obviously Obama misrepresented himself by running as an Anti-War candidate in 2008. Ron Paul does seem like a man who believes in his convictions and while he is really conservative at least that conservativism would led to the wars ending, and maybe some liberatrian thoughts on the drug war.
    Only differeance between Obama and Bush is Obama gives good speeches.

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