Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Friday, July 1, 2011

Section 4 of the 14th Amendment VS The Debt Limit

Commentary By Ron Beasley


There has been a lot of talk recently that if congress fails to increase the debt limit Obama should simply tell the Treasury Secretary to ignore it because it's unconstitutional.  Doug Mataconis has a good post on the pros and cons of this argument here. As James Joyner points out Tim Geithner made that very argument yesterday.  I see this as a sign that the administration does not think a deal to raise the debt is possible.  Ironically this threat might actually facilitate and agreement.  There is a lot of politics going on here.  There are political dangers for both the Obama administration and the Republicans.  A majority of US voters are still opposed to an increase in the debt limit but that will change rapidly when they government services the like and depend on suddenly stop.  It might be a political advantage for the Obama administration if the debt limit were to expire since they can decide who gets paid and who doesn't.  If the administration were to ignore the debt limit it would be seen as a power grab.  Of course the crazy Republicans in the House would impeach him and we all know how that worked out for them last time so that may be a draw. 


That said I think all the talk about the constitutionality of the debt limit is silly.  It does'nt really matter what the constitutional scholars think it's all about how the Supreme Court will respond.  The corporate SCOTUS will respond the way the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street banks want them to respond. They will decide the debt limit is unconstitutional.


 



4 comments:

  1. I hope Geitner pays a few US obligations with the $4 billion in US $1.00 coins that are just sitting around doing nothing.
    $4 billion may not be very much, as money is counted these days, but currently, we're paying an outrageous amount per year just to store those unused $1.00 coins.
    If Geitner isn't interested in using them to pay a few bills, Obama should use them as a mini-stimulus -- by handing them out to food banks, for instance.

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  2. The amendment does not say that the debt has to be paid, it says that it cannot be declared invalid, and those are two different issues. If we fail to pay a debt due to lack of cash on hand with which to pay it, we are not saying that we do not owe the money, which the amendment prohibits, we are merely saying that we are unable to pay it, an issue upon which the amendment is silent.
    To suggest that Obama use this amendment as a �cover story� to usurp the power of Congress, to disrupt the checks and balances of our system of government, and to further the �imperial presidency� which has already advanced to an appalling degree is seriously disturbing.

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  3. "I hope Geitner pays a few US obligations with the $4 billion in US $1.00 coins that are just sitting around doing nothing.
    $4 billion may not be very much, as money is counted these days, but currently, we're paying an outrageous amount per year just to store those unused $1.00 coins.
    If Geitner isn't interested in using them to pay a few bills, Obama should use them as a mini-stimulus -- by handing them out to food banks, for instance"
    Well said

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  4. @Bill H
    To suggest that Obama use this amendment as a �cover story� to usurp the power of Congress, to disrupt the checks and balances of our system of government, and to further the �imperial presidency� which has already advanced to an appalling degree is seriously disturbing.
    I am opposed to the imperial presidency as much as anyone but congress has become so dysfunctional - so unbalanced that it has lost it's place at the checks and balances table. When congress decides that governing is more important the tribal warfare we can talk about checks and balances. Until them we may need an imperial president.

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