Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, July 30, 2011

The 14th Amendment - the option that won't go away

Commentary By Ron Beasley


Obama has said no to the nuclear/14th Amendment option - just ignore the debt ceiling. But what if he doesn't have any choice?  It really doesn't matter if it's right or wrong but how the SCOTUS would react.  Jeffery Rosen takes a look at just that.


The most likely reaction might be to refuse to hear the case deciding that no one had standing.  Obama and the country win.  But what if they did decide to hear it?


The four liberal Justices would vote with Obama but what about the five conservatives.  This is where it gets interesting.  The Tea Party Justice, Thomas, would vote against Obama. but what about the other four? 



On the other hand, Roberts, Alito, and Scalia, if they remain true to their judicial philosophies, should reject this argument and rule for Obama, not Congress. All three have devoted their careers to defending a broad vision of executive power, and they might even embrace the argument that Obama doesn�t need to rely on the Fourteenth Amendment; instead, he can raise the debt ceiling on his own, by invoking what Eric Posner and Adrian Vermeule have called �his paramount duty to ward off serious threats to the constitutional and economic system.� In addition, the nationalistic instincts of the three pro-executive justices have led them to be consistently sympathetic to business interests, who in this case might support any presidential action that avoids default.



That leaves us with the Libertarian Justice, Kennedy.



Where does that leave the libertarian justice, Anthony Kennedy? He has no hesitation about the idea that courts�by which he means himself�should adjudicate battles between the president and Congress, and although he is all over the map on the issue, he tends to side with Congress rather than the president when forced to choose. This is what happened, at least, in cases involving Bush�s attempt to set up military commissions at Guantanamo without Congressional approval, for example, or in cases involving the Bush Environmental Protection Agency�s refusal to regulate greenhouse gas despite a Congressional law to the contrary. Still, Kennedy views himself as a responsible actor whose duty is to prevent economic and political chaos, as Bush v. Gore showed. In the spirit of caution, let�s chalk him up as a tentative vote for Congress over Obama.



So Obama wins by a 7-2 margin or perhaps even an 8-1 margin.  Of course then the real circus begins - the Republican base would insist that the House Republicans impeach Obama.  It will go nowhere of course and might be enough to guarantee Obama's reelection.



3 comments:

  1. I think it would be 8 - 1. Scalia tells Thomas how to vote.

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  2. @geoff
    Normally that would be true but in this case Thomas's wife will tell him how to vote and she will trump Scalia.

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  3. Funny thing is, Obama has lawyers who can figure out a way to make his war in Libya copacetic, and can explain why he needs no authorization from Congress to act.
    So why can't the same lawyers just apply themselves to identifying the arguments needed to give him the authority to raise the debt ceiling on his own?

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