Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, February 4, 2010

Ideological self-identification

Commentary By Ron Beasley



When asked a more voters consider themselves conservatives than liberals.  Center Right Nation?  Probably not - when asked about specific policies those "conservatives"  turn out to be pretty liberal.  Keep in mind a majority of voters were in favor of health care reform when it had a public option.  A majority our in favor of a smaller government but they want other peoples programs cut not theirs making it political suicide to suggest any programs be cut.  Just look what happened to Bush and the Republicans when they tried to kill Social Security.  Daniel  Larison observes that the ideological tags like conservative and liberal have little meaning and don't reflect how people vote.



...how many respondents define themselves ideologically has no bearing on how they vote or what policies they prefer. We can see how unreliable these labels are when we look at Gallup�s state-by-state surveys of ideological self-identification and then compare them with state-by-state party ID numbers. There are just five states with significant (+5 or more) Republican party ID advantages, and 33 states where the Democrats have a significant advantage, but if you were to look at the state-by-state result for ideological self-identification you would find that liberals outnumber conservatives nowhere outside D.C. Defenders of the �center-right nation� thesis might be tempted to rejoice at this point, but this just shows how politically meaningless conservative self-identification is in many parts of the country. By party ID and most recently by voting preference, most of the �center-right nation� prefers the center-left party.

Larison concludes with this:

The �center-right nation� story has been something of a curse for
conservatives, because it has convinced many of them that the public is
automatically and instinctively on their side, and they keep relying on
this to provide them with political success. If conservatives
recognized that they are not facing a �center-right nation,� they
wouldn�t necessarily be able to sell the public on proposals such as
Ryan�s, but they would at least understand that they have to persuade a
public that does not share their views. They might then realize that
the public is not going to reward them simply for showing up and
declaring their opposition to the other side.

I am not that concerned that the center-right nation meme is a potential curse for the Republicans - my concern is that it becomes a curse for the Democrats when they buy into it and that's exactly what I have seen happen.  Of course health care reform was a victim of this thinking. Another example is the continuation of the unpopular wars in the middle east.  While a majority oppose them the Democrats are afraid they will be seen as week on defense if they end them.

The biggest danger for the Democrats is they will misinterpret what the teabaggers are all about.

Update:

Our researcher Kat adds this:

Another possibility is that some Democrats insincerely use the
'center-right nation' meme as a convenient excuse/cover for their lack
of support for center-left policies, because their big campaign
contributors or they themselves actually support center-right policies,
in spite of what they say while campaigning..

Home run Kat!

 



4 comments:

  1. I am not that concerned that the center-right nation meme is a potential curse for the Republicans - my concern is that it becomes a curse for the Democrats when they buy into it and that's exactly what I have seen happen.
    Another possibility is that some Democrats insincerely use the 'center-right nation' meme as a convenient excuse/cover for their lack of support for center-left policies, because their big campaign contributors or they themselves actually support center-right policies, in spite of what they say while campaigning.

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  2. It's a murky picture any way you look at it. It's easy to forget that the South was once called the "Solid South" because it was so heavily Democrat that primary elections were more important than the general election. The Republican Southern Strategy inverted that designation beginning with Nixon and Southerners to this day remain an ideological dead weight for the GOP nationally.
    Facing South, just a day or two ago...
    On almost every issue, Southern Republicans are far to the right of their national GOP brethren. In fact, GOP Southerners appear to be the driving base for some of the most extreme views circulating in the Republican Party today.
    To measure this, normally we'd compare the Southern results to the national average, and then see what the difference is. But since the poll disproportionately surveyed Southerners to start with, instead I looked at how the Southern answers compared to the next most conservative region.
    For example, here are four questions the poll asked Republicans about President Obama, with the Southern poll numbers compared to the next-highest region (in each of these cases, the Midwest):
    QUESTION: Should Barack Obama be impeached, or not?
    South: 42% yes
    Next-highest region: 38% yes
    Southern difference: +4%
    QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama was born in the United States, or not?
    South: 43% no
    Next-highest region: 33% no
    Southern difference: +10%
    QUESTION: Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?
    South: 67% yes
    Next-highest region: 61% yes
    Southern difference: +6%
    QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?
    South: 28% yes
    Next-highest region: 22% yes
    Southern difference: +6%
    An important reminder: These are just self-identified Southern Republicans -- a big caveat, given that Democrats still have a voter registration advantage in most Southern states, even in "red states" that voted against Obama in 2008 (for example, Louisiana has twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans).

    When I read "Blue Dog" I automatically think "racist." It's not true in individual cases, but in a political context it is operationally accurate. For many Southerners is matters not where you stand ideologically as long as you are not Black or foreign. (And thanks mostly to Louisiana and the Gulf Coast most Southerners finally have learned to accept Catholics, but only from a distance.)
    That's why I like the Nolan Chart as a political metric better than the old Left/Right designations from the French Republic.

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  3. "When asked a more voters consider themselves conservatives than liberals. "
    Typo - Replace 'asked a ' with 'asked, '

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