Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Sunday, June 21, 2009

The Iran Narrative: Searching For Black Hats And White Hats

By Steve Hynd


Steve Benen notes the number of conservative voices raised in praise of Obama's carefully incremented approach to the current turmoil in Iran and writes:



we're not dealing with a dynamic that pits the left vs. the right, or Dems against Republicans. Rather, this is a situation featuring neocons vs. everyone else.


You'll notice that President Obama's strategy has not only been endorsed by Democratic lawmakers, but also prominent Republicans who are in office (Dick Lugar), served in Republican administrations (Henry Kissinger, Gary Sick, and Nick Burns), or are prominent Republican voices in the media (George Will, Peggy Noonan, and Pat Buchanan).


The president's leading detractors, meanwhile, primarily come from a motley and discredited crew who cling to neoconservatism -- McCain, Graham, Kristol, Krauthammer, Wolfowitz.


When we see reports indicating that "Republicans" are outraged by the president's tack on Iran, let's not forget it's mostly just a certain part of the party.


Meanwhile, John Cole quips:



�Today on face the Nation, John McCain, and he is not happy with the President�s response to Iran.�


Fifty bucks says that Schieffer won�t be bothered to mention �Bomb bomb bomb Iran� when we learn how much McCain cares for the Iranian people.


There's apparently some folk who'd make a case that the neocons are a spent force and we shouldn't worry what they think. But I'd reply that the Republican Party at the moment doesn't have a foreign policy vision other than the neocon one, and that folks like McCain, Krauthammer, Kristol et al have plenty of available bully pulpits in the media to advance that vision still. And as such, they're worth pushing back against.


I also worry that both neocons and interventionsit neo-liberals (e.g. the Obama administration's foreign policy crew) both have an overwhelming faith in the transformative power of American-style democracy and faith in America's God-given right to push that transformation on others - they just disagree about how best to go about that pushing. I'd argue that it's a singularly un-nuanced attitude which almost inevitably leads to the kind of mistakes we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, I try very hard to be just as sceptical about the "anti-Imperialist" camp's arguments too, even though they more closely resemble my own feelings on interventionism. When I write "it's not about us", I'm arguing for getting away from both arrogant, self-cenetered and homogenous interpretations.


On exactly those lines, Peter Beaumont writes at the Guardian today:



Those who intervene, by and large, do so to confirm their credentials to their own audiences. The framing of issues like Iran in terms of a western-style, pro-democracy argument can also have unintended consequences. In a country whose leaders have an almost paranoid suspicion of the US and the UK, it offers an open invitation to interpret commentary as "interference" as inevitably has happened in the last few days.


In the case of events in Iran in the last two weeks, the reaction has been drearily familiar. For the dissenting left, confronted by what looks suspiciously like another "colour revolution" - after the "rose revolution" in Georgia and the "orange revolution" in Ukraine, which received support from the pro-democracy groups - the response has been to back the "anti-imperialist" Ahmadinejad, friend of the poor and foe of Zionism, as the likely victor. More victim of an attempted coup than responsible for a coup in office, it is a version of events that, through the necessity of bolstering his case, has tended to airbrush out the more unpalatable features of Ahmadinejad's Iran.


That critique has been more than matched by an equal barrage of opinion, often by those more familiar with Tel Aviv or Tallahassee than Tehran, who have bought wholeheartedly into a "freedom" narrative that seeks to interpret the mass demonstrations of those supporting Mir Hossein Mousavi in an equally simplistic fashion - as representative of the aspirations of all of Iran.


It is a version with its own lacunae. Investing so much in the reformist opposition, and beguiled by a particular version that emanates from north Tehran's unrepresentative suburbs, it fails to acknowledge either the nature of Mousavi's agenda - a self-described "fundamentalist reformist" who is far less radical than they assume - or the reality of the huge support both for Ahmadinejad in his constituency and the Islamic revolution.


The domination of the debate by two such facile and self-interested arguments is important, precisely because the picture that we have of Iran matters.


And over Iran right now, there is an overwhelming need for a careful examination of what is occurring, which goes beyond the usual glib depictions of Ahmadinejad as nothing more than a dictatorial Holocaust-denier or Mousavi as a receptacle for hopes of a kind of liberal western reformation of Iran's revolution.


...We are at a crucial moment not only for the Iranian nation, but for the geopolitics of the wider region. The challenge is not to mould Iran's reality into a shape we feel most comfortable with; to confirm our prejudices or our hopes. The challenge is to understand. Because only in understanding will we avoid setting up the conditions to repeat the worst errors of the last decade. 


Bingo.



5 comments:

  1. If the Taliban can come back, the neocons certainly can.

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  2. I must disagree with you about Obama's foreign policy team. I think they understand perfectly well the perils of interfering in Iran. If they wanted to interfere and cause a revolution all they would have to do is publicly and wholeheartedly support Ahdeminijad and urge him to crush the protesters. That would probably do it. On the other hand we all know that publicly endorsing the Mousavi faction and the protesters would provide all the excuse necessary to crush them. Either way they'd do nothing but generate another couple of generations of hatred of the US. Common sense would indicate the speedy acquisition of some ten foot poles and a good place to store them unused.
    I admit that I'm curious about this concept of non-intervention. Does that apply to the Israeli/Palestinian thing as well? Should they just stand back an let them sort it out on their own? Personally I think not.

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  3. Don't forget the "End Times" crew who say no conservation laws are necessary because the Rapture is coming soon anyway.

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  4. Hi Peter,
    "I admit that I'm curious about this concept of non-intervention. Does that apply to the Israeli/Palestinian thing as well? Should they just stand back an let them sort it out on their own?"
    OK, I'll bite. :-)
    IMHO, what should happen in both cases is that the US and the West should be trying not to intervene simply for their own reasons if at the same time they're going to claim the mantle of "world's policeman". A cop acting for his own interests rather than those of the society at large is a crooked cop, and that's often worse than no cop at all. Being the world's policeman and acting in your own national interest seem to me to be too often mutually exclusive. It's one or the other, so decide and then be up front about it.
    What pisses me off about the hawks of both left and right is that their policy prescriptions too often begin as their own, often short term, conception of American national interest but are swiftly overlain with a thin veneer of pablum about humanitarian considerations, freedom, democracy and "we're the world's policeman" BS to sugar-coat their origins with something more palatable to US voters. No-one in the rest of the world buys it for a second. My own longer term conception of US national interest is that it would, indeed, be better off as a truly impartial, self-sacrificing but respected cop rather than one pretending to do the cop's job while feathering its own nest.
    Regards, Steve

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  5. Actually I quite agree with you. Both paragraphs. Completely. In a real sense acting as an honest broker pays much bigger dividends than couching self-interest in hyperbole about freedom and democracy. That being said there is a time and place for interventionism. Merely expressing opprobrium for some other country's policies and actions can be seen as unwarranted interference (and usually is by the country on the receiving end) but it must be done. Silence is assent.
    Sometimes boots on the ground interventionism is called for. Rwanda would not have been nearly as bad if foreign powers had intervened. Clearly the Iran situation calls for very deft handling. Which is to say: hands off. Nevertheless what is going on there is transformative as far as the US is concerned. The image of Iran as an implacable monolithic enemy is dissolving before our very eyes. The Iranians are being humanized again and calls to bomb them into dust (last week's neocon strategy) will now seem ridiculous especially when emanating from the simpletons now calling for interference in Iran. Truthfully there isn't much to choose from between Ahdeminijad and Mousavi. Their internal power struggles are of no real interest to anyone outside Iran. I think, for a change, US foreign policy is being handled very adroitly. I can't imagine what hash the Bushies would have made of this.
    I'm glad you bit on my embarrassingly obvious bait. Aside from clarifying your views which I had suspected I knew, it was a blatant excuse for offering my own two cents worth.
    Respectfully yours,
    Peter G

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