Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, November 23, 2009

Nuance and Totality

By Dave Anderson:



War is politics by other means. That is Clauswitz boiled down to a clause, and it is a useful framework for strategic thought. If war is politics, then there are multiple possible outcomes including a mutual decision to arrive at a no decision because continuation of a war is bad politics to all interested and relevant decision making parties.

For example the War of 1812 trickled out into a negoatiated settlement at Ghent because the British were tired of fighting in a tertiary theatre where the Duke of Wellington estimated that he would need an army that was as large as the redcoat contingent at Waterloo to defeat and hold the Americas. The United States had failed to conquer Canada and its commerce was being choked by the British blockade and littoral operations. Neither side was able to achieve a knock-out blow so both sides agreed to call it quits and make minor adjustments to the pre-war status quo. The war ended without victory for either nation.


The same could be said of the Korean War once the US/UN expanded its objective set from containment and local counterattack to roll-back that prompted the Chinese counter-invasion. Neither side won, but the war ended as the costs were higher than the benefits for both sides and all relevant veto players.



And that is not an uncommon end to wars --- neither victory nor defeat is gained as the opponents are able to mutually deny the achievement of the primary strategic objectives at a worthwhile costs. However negoatiating an end to a war where the benefits are outweighed by the political costs requires nuance, and that is verbotan in certain segments of the American political discourse.





Threatswatch argues that there is only total victory or total defeat:



So you wouldn't last long at the bar with blunt Special Forces operators and Marines wholly unimpressed with nuance. There are greater tragedies in life. But from the relative safety of your own chair, pay attention. Because whether you speak the language of Nuance or No Bull, the inescapable fact remains: Wars Don't End, They Are Won Or Lost.




All right, we have stupid machismo, and anti-intellectualism with a complete disregard for history. Par for the course, but plenty of wars end without total victory or total defeat as war is a political decision that seeks to accomplish certain objectives at a �reasonable� price where �reasonable� is broadly defined and includes economic and non-economic costs. Total victory is expensive and seldom worth the price unless the threat is exisential. Nuance should be our friend.

1 comment:

  1. What he actually said was that "war is the continuation of politics by other means," which is not quite the same thing. His point is that we don't fight wars merely to kill the other guy, and that it easy to lose sight of what the purpose of war is. We are trying to accomplish with war much the same thing as we were trying to accomplish before the war started. War is not a self licking ice cream cone, fought merely for the sake of fighting.
    I think that is amply illustrated by the statements that crop up when trying to say why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq; they are largely incoherent and change from day to day. We really have totally lost track of why the hell we are there, which means we are no longer "continuing politics by other means," but are merely fighting due to the inertia of not being willing to :lose."

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