Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, April 15, 2010

It's still a bad idea

Commentary By Ron Beasley



I have been a big fan of science fiction for years.  Not so much the movies but novels by scientists who understand that space is a very hostile place for carbon based life forms.  As I pointed out here we don't know enough to even think about an expedition to Mars.

As you can see there are many obstacles that must be overcome before
we can even consider space travel far from earth.  The best place to
solve these problems is in Earth's orbit.  Instead of a trip to Mars the
resources should be invested in the International Space Station and new
platforms.  That should also include capturing space objects for raw
materials and volatiles for manufacturing in space.



We should continue to send robotic missions to Mars and beyond so we
will have as much knowledge as possible if and when we are ready for a
manned mission. 





We need to learn what we need to know close to Earth.  With our current knowledge and technology a trip to Mars could be a one way trip since after months and years of exposure to cosmic and solar radiation and weightlessness the astronauts would not live long after their return.  And there is simply no reason for man to return to the moon - it was a propaganda stunt the first time and won't be anymore now.  Yhere is so much wrong with this:



Obama Sees Manned Missions to Mars

President Barack Obama boldly predicted Thursday his new plans for space exploration would lead American astronauts on historic, almost fantastic journeys to an asteroid and then to Mars -- and in his lifetime -- relying on rockets and propulsion still to be imagined and built.

''I expect to be around to see it,'' he said of pioneering U.S. trips starting with a landing on an asteroid -- a colossal feat in itself -- before the long-dreamed-of expedition to Mars. He spoke near the historic Kennedy Space Center launch pads that sent the first men to the moon, a blunt rejoinder to critics, including several former astronauts, who contend his planned changes will instead deal a staggering blow to the nation's manned space program.

''We want to leap into the future,'' not continue on the same path as before, Obama said as he sought to reassure NASA workers that America's space adventures would soar on despite the impending termination of space shuttle flights.





And this is so wrong:

The Obama space plan relies on private companies to fly to the space
station, giving them almost $6 billion to build their own rockets and
ships. It also extends the space station's life by five years and puts
billions into research to eventually develop new government rocket ships
for future missions to a nearby asteroid, to the moon, to Martian moons
or other points in space. Those stops would be stepping stones on an
eventual mission to Mars itself.

How Republican of him - privatize space exploration.  Privatization has been a disaster every where it has been tried and this would be no different.  Obama sounds more like a Republican everyday. 



7 comments:

  1. Agreed, mostly. But it seems to me that spending some time on the moon is the logical first step in figuring out how to spend more time in space and perform the daily needs of human life.
    I think that the moon is where it's at: doable but still a great challenge that could be a place where nations come together as humans.
    As for Mr. Obama's plans, i pretty much tune them out at this point. I cannot convince myself that he has the best interests of his constituents at heart, so even when the words sound good, i assume that they're hollow.

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  2. I generally agree with your argument, but you're wrong about the necessary length of a mission to Mars. The VASIMIR engine now being tested is theoretically capable of getting us to Mars in 39 days if powered by an on-board nuclear reactor.
    But, of course, that kind of technology is going to have to be tested and deployed first in near-Earth orbit, so your basic point remains.

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  3. I have been a big fan of science fiction for years. Not so much the movies but novels by scientists who understand that space is a very hostile place for carbon based life forms. As I pointed out here we don't know enough to even think about an expedition to Mars
    Perhaps. But then again, we really had no idea what we were doing when Apollo started up. We are more prepared to send a man to Mars now than we were to send a man to a moon in 1951.
    How Republican of him - privatize space exploration. Privatization has been a disaster every where it has been tried and this would be no different.
    But it might just work here. The essay to read on this count (and I really cannot recommend it enough for anybody interested in the slightest on issues of space exploration) is Radn Simberg's piece for the New Atlantist, A Space Program For the Rest of Us." It is a long read, but it is worth it.

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  4. Oops. Meant to write "1961" there.

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  5. If private companies are going to be launching rockets into space I would like to suggest their employes are members of the Space Workers Union of Planet Earth. When the Sago Space Mining Corporation decides to launch there had better be some freaking oversight.

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  6. Ron, I put up a post just now inspired by the link left by commenter T. Greer above. It's not as "Republican" as you might imagine. I rather like what Simberg says and how he presents his ideas. You might want to take a look.
    I will be watching to see how the Grand Old Party of NO tries to come against notions what so loudly they hailed at the twilight's last gleaming.

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