Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Monday, October 25, 2010

Taliban Talks: After The Hype, The Pullback

By Steve Hynd


Last week, the media was full of stenography of the official narrative that the awesomely Saintly General Petareus and his surge(tm) were forcing the Taliban to the negotiating table and the insurgency was in its last throes, with success just around the corner etc. etc.


That was until various observers (myself included) suggested that the official narrative was...how to put this...bullshit.


The idea appears to be that officials are saying that the surge is forcing the Taliban to the table in the hope of convincing the Taliban that it is true, and panicking them into making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. The problem there, of course, is that if the ploy doesn't work then it undermines official credibility, the surge and any negotiation track all at the same time.


Richard Holbrooke appears to have realised this and is doing some pullback on the official happy-talk about talks while still trying to keep to the original narrative of surge success. His efforts are less than successful.



Meetings between Afghan leadership and Taliban figures are ongoing, but the two sides are nowhere near a peace deal and in fact are not even to the point of negotiating one, Special Representative Richard Holbrooke said Sunday.


"I think the press has left the impression that negotiations of the type which ultimately ended the war in Vietnam in 1973 and ultimately ended the war in Bosnia in 1995 are somehow breaking out. That is just not the case," he said on CNN's GPS with Fareed Zakaria show Sunday morning.


"What we've got here is an increasing number of Taliban at high levels saying, hey, we want to talk," Holbrooke explained. "I think this is a result, in large part, of the growing pressure they're under from General Petraeus and the ISAF command."


Holbrooke was adamant that -- whatever talks are taking place between the government of President Hamid Karzai and leaders of some of the insurgent groups -- it should not be called a "negotiation."



Huh? High level Taliban want to talk, because of Petraeus' awesome surge, but there's no actual talks that could be called a "negotiation" going on? Why the hell not? Who is dragging their feet? If the Taliban want to talk and Karzai obviously wants to talk then we're left only with the US and its Western allies as the party poopers.


Or is it the case that Petraeus' awesome surge isn't all that awesome after all, that Karzai and the Taliban are talking anyway and the US is being frozen out to the point where it doesn't know for sure what both are aiming for?


Enquiring minds want to know.


P.S. Here's a gem of messaging #fail from Holbrooke:



There is a widely dispersed group of people that we roughly call the enemy," he said. "So the idea of peace talks, to use your phrase, or negotiations, to use another phrase, doesn't really add up to the way this thing is going to evolve."



Right there is your very definition of mission creep - "a widely dispersed group of people" that we've labelled as collectively "the enemy" in the hope no-one notices they're a widely dispersed group of people. Whatever happened to Obama's insistence that Al Qaeda was the enemy? 



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