Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Thursday, February 10, 2011

So why are there so many troops in Afghanistan again?

By Steve Hynd


Press secretary Robert Gibbs has no idea.



  Q    Secretary Napolitano testified this morning in front of the House committee and said in no uncertain terms that al-Awlaki in Yemen is the clearest threat -- terrorist threat to the United States and a bigger threat than Osama bin Laden or anything coming out of Afghanistan or Pakistan.  Are we pursuing a new policy in terms of Yemen?  Does this alter our Afghanistan policy?  If this -- if the number one threat to the United States is now Yemen, the question that a lot of Americans may ask is then why is there so many troops in Afghanistan?


     MR. GIBBS:  Well, let�s understand that one of the reasons why -- as you heard the President say in the State of the Union, one of the reasons why the breadth of the type of attack that we saw September 11th of 2001, why that is harder to take place today is because of the fact that in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, the leadership of al Qaeda is under the greatest pressure that it has seen since September 11th. 


     Look, we came in and -- to be honest, as we had said during the campaign, we did not think the central front for al Qaeda was in Iraq, that we believed it was in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  And we shifted our resources accordingly.  Obviously --


     Q    Well, now you guys are saying it�s in Yemen.  Does that mean we shift our resources again?


     MR. GIBBS:  Well, no, no -- and I can assure you our cooperation with and our relationship with the government of Yemen is incredibly important in addressing the counterterrorism threat that exists there.


     I think it�s clear that in the past 10 years, as we come up to the anniversary of September 11, 2001, that the threat has evolved, as our response, too, has evolved.  We put greater pressure on Afghanistan and Pakistan -- Al Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and we have increased our cooperation with counterterrorism exercises with the government of Yemen.



It's certainly not because we're reducing the Taliban threat.



The strength of Taliban insurgents and other anti-government elements estimated to be between 25,000 to 35,000 in the militancy-hit Afghanistan, Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Zahir Azimi said on Wednesday.



And, from last month:



A massive effort by US and NATO forces � including offensives in the insurgent heartland and targeted assassinations of rebel leaders � has failed to dent Taliban numerical strength over the past year, according to military and diplomatic officials.


A NATO official said this week that the alliance estimates the current number of insurgent fighters at up to 25,000, confirming figures provided earlier by several military officers and diplomats.



Joshua Foust writes:



There are no comfortable conclusions to draw from this. Either:



  • We have no idea who�s out there, or in what numbers;

  • The Afghan MOD is lying to justify its expensive troop subsidies;

  • An enormous, expensive build-up in troops has not noticeably diminished the numbers of Taliban (or, in a worst case scenario, created 10,000 more);

  • There was initial success in diminishing the Taliban, but their numbers have grown; or

  • The Taliban are recruiting new people far more quickly than we can reconcile or kill off.


Not a single one of these conclusions bodes well for the war�s prospects.



Gibbs can't really explain why fighting a war in Afghanistan against an ever-regenerating foe has any effect on the AQ leadership in Pakistan, let alone why it helps against what is assessed as the greatest current threat from AQAP. I doubt any other official or general would do a better job. So can we call it a quagmire now?



2 comments:

  1. War is good for the economy, quagmires happen elsewhere, out of sight out of mind. (Except for the body bags)

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  2. War is good for the economy, quagmires happen elsewhere, out of sight out of mind. (Except for the body bags)

    ReplyDelete