Farewell. The Flying Pig Has Left The Building.

Steve Hynd, August 16, 2012

After four years on the Typepad site, eight years total blogging, Newshoggers is closing it's doors today. We've been coasting the last year or so, with many of us moving on to bigger projects (Hey, Eric!) or simply running out of blogging enthusiasm, and it's time to give the old flying pig a rest.

We've done okay over those eight years, although never being quite PC enough to gain wider acceptance from the partisan "party right or wrong" crowds. We like to think we moved political conversations a little, on the ever-present wish to rush to war with Iran, on the need for a real Left that isn't licking corporatist Dem boots every cycle, on America's foreign misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We like to think we made a small difference while writing under that flying pig banner. We did pretty good for a bunch with no ties to big-party apparatuses or think tanks.

Those eight years of blogging will still exist. Because we're ending this typepad account, we've been archiving the typepad blog here. And the original blogger archive is still here. There will still be new content from the old 'hoggers crew too. Ron writes for The Moderate Voice, I post at The Agonist and Eric Martin's lucid foreign policy thoughts can be read at Democracy Arsenal.

I'd like to thank all our regular commenters, readers and the other bloggers who regularly linked to our posts over the years to agree or disagree. You all made writing for 'hoggers an amazingly fun and stimulating experience.

Thank you very much.

Note: This is an archive copy of Newshoggers. Most of the pictures are gone but the words are all here. There may be some occasional new content, John may do some posts and Ron will cross post some of his contributions to The Moderate Voice so check back.


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Saturday, April 25, 2009

What's Wrong With America?

Commentary By Ron Beasley


What's Wrong With America?  This!



But now Obama is being lobbied by politicians and voters who want something more -- the humiliation and/or punishment of those responsible for the policies of the past. They are looking for individual scalps -- or, at least, careers and reputations.


Their argument is that without identifying and punishing the perpetrators, there can be no accountability -- and therefore no deterrent lesson for future administrations. It is a plausible-sounding rationale, but it cloaks an unworthy desire for vengeance.


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But having vowed to end the practices, Obama should use all the influence of his office to stop the retroactive search for scapegoats.


This is not another Sept. 11 situation, when nearly 3,000 Americans were killed. We had to investigate the flawed performances and gaps in the system and make the necessary repairs to reduce the chances of a deadly repetition.


The memos on torture represented a deliberate, and internally well-debated, policy decision, made in the proper places -- the White House, the intelligence agencies and the Justice Department -- by the proper officials.


Now if I were to rob a bank and kill or injure someone in the process would it be "vengeance" to expect that I be tried for that offense.  I think Mr Broder and the rest of the citizenry would say no - it's justice.  How is it any different when breaking the law "represented a deliberate, and internally well-debated, policy decision, made in the proper places"?  The answer is that in a nation of laws it should make no difference at all.  We have established here and here that both US and international laws were broken.  For that reason the acts of torture and the decision to torture should be investigated and those who are found to have violated the law should be punished.  This is not one administration or one party against another but one administration against the rule of law.  If the Obama administration refuses to act that will make two administrations.


What's wrong with America?  David Broder and everyone who thinks like him. 


Why does David Broder hate America?


Update:


This from RAM in comments:



A nation of laws does not rely on the good intentions of its leaders to do the right thing; it depends on the law, equally applied to all. Broder and his ilk would approvingly turn the United States into a totalitarian state an inch at a time. And like the frog in the pot of water where the temperature is increased very slowly, the hope would be that we'd never notice. Broder and his villager buddies are all urging us to jump in; the water's fine, they say.



2 comments:

  1. I wonder if Broder and all the other torture supporters realize that they are advocating making torture official government policy from now on. Because if no one pays a substantial, legal price for having broken international and U.S. laws, those laws are effectively meaningless.
    While Barack Obama has pledged not to torture, so did George W. Bush. As soon as another unscrupulous or compliant Bush or Cheney wannabe assumes the office of President he or she will simply undo the supposed Obama torture restrictions. But the next time more than one U.S. citizen, like Jose Padilla, will be the subject of illegal, immoral, and degenerate torture. You can take that one to the bank.
    A nation of laws does not rely on the good intentions of its leaders to do the right thing; it depends on the law, equally applied to all. Broder and his ilk would approvingly turn the United States into a totalitarian state an inch at a time. And like the frog in the pot of water where the temperature is increased very slowly, the hope would be that we'd never notice. Broder and his villager buddies are all urging us to jump in; the water's fine, they say.

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  2. Well said RAM - I'm going to move that last pargraph up.

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